1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice
Spam Control Cantina Notification Emails Create Threads and Rate Posts Similar Threads

CGI in TFA

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by PoeReyme, Dec 31, 2015.

Tags:
Page 11 of 14
  1. D-green

    D-green Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Posts:
    884
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    4,142
    Credits:
    1,960
    Ratings:
    +1,579 / 313 / -127
    Unkar was mostly CGI...

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 21, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 21, 2016 ---
    CGI X-wing pilots...

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    #201 D-green, Jan 21, 2016
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. ArynCrinn

    ArynCrinn 1030th Lieutenant (Jr Mod)

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Posts:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    3,130
    Trophy Points:
    10,867
    Credits:
    3,848
    Ratings:
    +5,207 / 102 / -30
    Snoke is fully CGI. Even the chair and most of the room are CGI.
    Kylo Ren was the one who had the hood and mask digitally added (which looks great by the way).



    The head was anyway (based on a practical mask and stuff).
    His body and everything else was real.



    That is slightly misleading. The CGI of the pilots was for lighting correction.
    You're not actually looking at a CGI pilot in the film...
     
    #202 ArynCrinn, Jan 21, 2016
    • Wise Wise x 2
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  3. D-green

    D-green Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Posts:
    884
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    4,142
    Credits:
    1,960
    Ratings:
    +1,579 / 313 / -127
    Nope, in that scene that is a CGI pilot.
     
    #203 D-green, Jan 21, 2016
  4. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,228
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    I think that what @ArynCrinn might be trying to get at is that a CHI Pilot was created for lighting references that was then RE-MAPPED onto he live-action actors for better effects .
     
    #204 AstromechRecords, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  5. D-green

    D-green Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Posts:
    884
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    4,142
    Credits:
    1,960
    Ratings:
    +1,579 / 313 / -127
    like I said in that scene on the photo actor was CGI in the movie ( CGI double ).
     
    #205 D-green, Jan 21, 2016
  6. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,228
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    Wait what ?
     
    #206 AstromechRecords, Jan 21, 2016
  7. Bandini

    Bandini Jedi Commander

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Posts:
    4,862
    Likes Received:
    5,539
    Trophy Points:
    87,267
    Credits:
    9,228
    Ratings:
    +10,282 / 461 / -131
     
    #207 Bandini, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 2
  8. ArynCrinn

    ArynCrinn 1030th Lieutenant (Jr Mod)

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Posts:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    3,130
    Trophy Points:
    10,867
    Credits:
    3,848
    Ratings:
    +5,207 / 102 / -30
    [​IMG]
    "Pilot and Cockpit Interior Digitally Matched for Interactive Lighting"

    In other words, pilot and cockpit were digitally matched for lighting correction (and quite the correction it is). You only need to compare the raw camera to the final comp to see this.
    Matching a CGI model to in-camera footage to give that little difference between the raw and final without digital markers everywhere is impossible.

    Although they did use CGI pilots for some of the wide external shots...




    Which is why the CGI pilot looks hardly anything like the raw camera footage OR finished shot...
    Makes sense.
     
    #208 ArynCrinn, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 2
  9. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,228
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    For the lighting references they don't need a fully-CGI developed shot. They just need enough to run the simulations for clothing lighting and all. In Legman's Terms, doing what we're talking about on the pilots is basically An EXTREMELY ADVANCED version of Rotoscoping .
     
    #209 AstromechRecords, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  10. D-green

    D-green Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Posts:
    884
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    4,142
    Credits:
    1,960
    Ratings:
    +1,579 / 313 / -127
    Like how it said in the video. That pilot used in that Full CGI scene is CGI.
     
    #210 D-green, Jan 21, 2016
  11. ArynCrinn

    ArynCrinn 1030th Lieutenant (Jr Mod)

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Posts:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    3,130
    Trophy Points:
    10,867
    Credits:
    3,848
    Ratings:
    +5,207 / 102 / -30
    Can you give me the time code for that?
     
    #211 ArynCrinn, Jan 21, 2016
  12. D-green

    D-green Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Posts:
    884
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    4,142
    Credits:
    1,960
    Ratings:
    +1,579 / 313 / -127
    2:24

     
    #212 D-green, Jan 21, 2016
  13. Rieekan

    Rieekan SWNN Hawkeye
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2015
    Posts:
    5,225
    Likes Received:
    10,128
    Trophy Points:
    144,447
    Credits:
    9,489
    Ratings:
    +15,474 / 137 / -35
    It says Actor got scaned, that could be Lt. Bastian played by Tosin Cole.
     
    #213 Rieekan, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
  14. 77th

    77th Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Posts:
    528
    Likes Received:
    4,235
    Trophy Points:
    13,017
    Credits:
    5,604
    Ratings:
    +4,694 / 49 / -20
    That's the real question here. CGI is cheaper and quicker to film, and so easy to alter afterwards.

    I think we all cheer the INNOVATION, but make it look good if it looks bad like it did in the prequels just leave it like it was.
     
    #214 77th, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  15. ArynCrinn

    ArynCrinn 1030th Lieutenant (Jr Mod)

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Posts:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    3,130
    Trophy Points:
    10,867
    Credits:
    3,848
    Ratings:
    +5,207 / 102 / -30
    Like @Rieekan said, actors were scanned...
    But as I said before... it was for "interactive" lighting correction and when you don't see them close-up.
     
    #215 ArynCrinn, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
  16. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,794
    Likes Received:
    15,181
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,228
    Ratings:
    +26,536 / 845 / -253
    There is always going to be that film(s) that are the first one(s) to utilize a new type of technology that will cause a lot of criticisms .
     
    #216 AstromechRecords, Jan 21, 2016
    • Wise Wise x 1
  17. D-green

    D-green Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Posts:
    884
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    4,142
    Credits:
    1,960
    Ratings:
    +1,579 / 313 / -127
    That shoot is in the video when they talk about CGI characters, CGI double and CGI X-wing pilots.
    As can be seen.

    You asked time code. I gave you time code.
     
    #217 D-green, Jan 21, 2016
  18. ArynCrinn

    ArynCrinn 1030th Lieutenant (Jr Mod)

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Posts:
    2,318
    Likes Received:
    3,130
    Trophy Points:
    10,867
    Credits:
    3,848
    Ratings:
    +5,207 / 102 / -30
    You're interpreting it wrong.

    "Many of the actors were scanned, and this was used not only for the lead digital characters, but also for digi doubles, and a few X-wing pilots fighting off the evil first order."

    The sentence subject is the digital scanning of actors.
    He lists a few examples of the use of digital scanning.
    He never once says "CGI X-wing pilots."
     
    #218 ArynCrinn, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Original Original x 1
  19. 77th

    77th Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Posts:
    528
    Likes Received:
    4,235
    Trophy Points:
    13,017
    Credits:
    5,604
    Ratings:
    +4,694 / 49 / -20
    In any case of technology is "Use To Know" thing, but the maker must set some production and presentation values.

    Everybody been bashing CGI overuse in the Prequels, but the main fault in those movies were the terrible acting jobs, even after the great efforts of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid to save the scenes.
     
    #219 77th, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  20. perrymoon

    perrymoon Rebel General

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Posts:
    393
    Likes Received:
    656
    Trophy Points:
    4,562
    Credits:
    2,741
    Ratings:
    +1,012 / 61 / -23
    This is a good prove on how this film was approached:



    Stop using the excuse of time, please... Jurassic World looks worse than the original Jurassic Park and it was made by the same company.

    10 pages after you don't want to listen that NOBODY here is saying CG sucks. Maybe this video helps us:

     
    #220 perrymoon, Jan 21, 2016
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 2
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 11 of 14

Share This Page