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CGI in TFA

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by PoeReyme, Dec 31, 2015.

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    I'll give you an example:

    On my last film we shot on RED EPIC in RAW 6K Digital.
    The production went through 6-7 RAW RED CARDS PER DAY with each having something like 35+GB per card (don't remember the exact amount).
    Remember that this was every single day for roughly 31 or so days.

    Once the RAW DATA a was edited to what footage was workable to edit later during the editing/directors cut, we ended up with 4 HD's of something like 100TB EACH and 4 copies stored all over the world for contingency purposes.
    I'm not even talking about data farms right now.
    Not take into account individual hard drives versus these server farms. They are taking this much data times a thousand per second and processing it digitally multiple times will still be slow to handle without a customized set up. The reason I even bring this up is because for major people to gauge just how crazy it is they need a variable to base it off of to understand the sheer data being processed so in 2015-2016 they're processing power is nearly truly unlimited and their only hold back is the power of the RAM Zane processing power of the chips and refresh rates and all going into this decade .
     
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    Just to add a couple more numbers for those interested in the tech:
    A typical 6K frame in raw format takes round about 30 megabytes to store.
    Thats around 0.7 gigabyte for a second of footage or 2.6 terrabyte per hour.

    Something tangetial about digital vs film that is truly fascinating here:
    http://yedlin.net/DisplayPrepDemo/#
    Truly exciting since to my eyes it really proves the point that the capture format has become arbitrary now with the right DP and post processing mindset.
    Should be of additional interest to us because the gentleman who prepared this "digital to film" pipeline and made this demo is Steve Yedlin - none other than the director of photography for Episode VIII.
    Can't wait to see what he is going to do (we know that VIII will be 35mm) - he certaintly has the right mindset and cares about tech only in terms of results.
     
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    Is he shooting on FILM or shooting on digital, because certain REDs and Arri 65's can accurately mimick different mm's of film almost better than actual film stock .
     
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    VIII will be 35mm from what we know. They wanted to go 70 but ain't nobody got time for that logistically (says Johnson).
     
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    Well 70mm shoots in higher def for FILM based on what my "basic" knowledge is better but is more costly And it's wider and costs more .
     
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    Hugh Murray of IMAX claims their frames are in the ballpark of 18k wich would translate to something between 8k and 12k in "normal" aspect ratio.
    Way larger than anyone can project in any case ^_^.

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    By anyone I mean normal, digital theaters.
     
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    Their digital/film or conversions ?
     
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    Their film of course.
    I don't think anyone masters higher than 4k at the moment even if they scan at 6k.
    Even Revenant is mastered in 4.
     
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    I'm exhausted, because you don't want to listen at all.
    One thing is that CGI advances in 30 years, another thing is that some movies did a good job with that technology and others didn't. Spielberg knew the limits of the technology when he did Jurassic Park, as well as he knew the limits of practical FX a couple of decades before when shooting Jaws (filming the shark in a very clever way).

    Both films are considered today classics, and the VFX were at the service of the story, which is, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters. Seeing C3PO hanging on a giant flying robot brings nothing to the story in Attack of the Clones. With the factory scene, Lucas loaded tons of last minute additional work to ILM, in a fully CGI scene that brings NOTHING to the movie. The last months of post-production are decisive: it's the moment CGI can be refined, and ILM couldn't do the job properly because Lucas invented such stupid scene.

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    In Jurassic World, Trevorrow didn't know what he was doing. He simply took the toys and played with them like a kid, and he did a visual crap. Both films were "CGIed" by the same company, yet the director is what changes it all.

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    Did anyone notice the bad CG Han Solo in the snow. It's the shot, just before this one. Capture.PNG

    All 4 of them are walking towards the base and Han is on the far right. That Han is completely CG. The walk gives it away, it looks animated and not life like.
     
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    I didn't! I'll see that next time. Fortunately most of TFA CGI looks gorgeous.
     
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    I just made a gif of the shot in question. Reluctantly downloaded a cam copy so I could make it. Don't worry I've deleted it and didn't watch it.



    Unfortunately the quality is poop, but if you watch his animation, it's clearly not the walk of Harrison Ford. If the quality was better, it'd be even more obvious. It was very glaring for me unfortunately, even more so than the Rathars.

    Additionally, you can see in the next shot that their positions are all messed up. Probably a reshoot.
     
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    They had a body double for him as we can see in bts vids, I doubt they need CGI. But I agree it doesn't look like Ford but there are obvious reasons for not using Ford in that scene.
     
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    It looks like CG in the movie, but I guess a body double could explain it. It didn't look right to me in any case.
     
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    I can't imagine going through that kind of production!! I'm currently using UltraHD.
    Yes it's another way of walking for sure! But well at least the overall approach works which is the important thing. This shot is so fast that you don't even care when watching the film. Snoke is another thing. I hope when we see the real guy out of the hologram it will look much better, as Maz.
     
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    Ultra HD a works for minimum productions usually canons and stuff
     
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    yeah from that video I was surprised how much CGI was used, but in the end it was not a glaring problem like it was in the PT.
     
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    Absolutely :)
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    There's literally a couple of DI facilities that can master in 6K as of 2015/2016 such as LightIron Digital who has worked with me for 4K but it's a waste of money because there's no sane theater in the world that could project something that high in resolution unless it was further refined in IMAX during POST - Production .
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    Lol I don't think he realizes that double posts only count as one post...@Boba Fett
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    Brw, what do those numbers mean ?
     
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