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Chewbacca Kylo duel.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Sparafucile, Mar 5, 2019.

  1. cawatrooper

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    Sure, but the same could've been said for Finn and Rey in TFA. They held up because of the current circumstances, which...

    I mean, yeah, if it's a completely even playing field and you hear the Mortal Kombat announcer yell "Fight", then sure Kylo's gonna wipe the floor. That... doesn't even really seem worth discussing.

    But that's making presumptions about the hypothetical battle. I mean, I could say Kylo is on his deathbed with Stage 4 Brainrot Plague while Chewie's coming at him fresh off the gym and mounted in an AT-AT with one of those battering ram cannons strapped on its back.

    Guess the point is, I wouldn't rule anything out just because we can't currently picture the circumstances.
     
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    Well, that's what I was imagining haha

    Of course. But since all we know is "Chewbacca and Kylo fight", why would I assume that in this scenario Kylo has 98 stab wounds? I just drew the easiest (most logical) conclusion from the infomation I was given.
     
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    As someone who definitely scratched his head trying to figure out the powers at play between the fights between Rey and Kylo, I've come to the conclusion there are some things regarding the force that we don't understand as viewers. As some have pointed out, it's a writers prerogative, but I think it goes beyond that and SW has various examples of that at play.

    Examples could go to various bounty hunters who fight Jedi. If the powerful force users are so strong, why not just mind trick them? I think even regular humanoids have a certain resistance to force effects. I wouldn't call Chewbacca weak minded, which was Obi-Wan's explanation all those movies ago in ANH. Then of course Chewbacca is a wookie, maybe in that way he is resistant to some extent (if the writers so choose). After all, Vader didn't just freeze him on Bespin when Chewy was tossing Storm Troopers around willy nilly, he was going to have him shot. Vader... the Chosen One, did not just use the force to freeze him. Sure, maybe that wasn't a power he had under his repertoire, or maybe certain mental states are more difficult to affect with certain powers.

    Rey was terrified when Kylo held her, and beyond that, she was confused. She had just been given a huge dose of a reality she had never even dreamed for herself. Maybe Kylo sensed that and thus figured she'd be more susceptible to certain specific uses of power. I don't think the power that force users have access to can be used in all situations. I think it's very much circumstantial, at least that's been my observation. Call it head canon if you will, and that's fine, but the only explanation I can come up with is that it's up to the writers, which ultimately it is. However, that's a pretty banal explanation, I'd rather believe there are variables we are not privy to.

    So if Chewbacca is somehow resistance to some of Kylo's powers (Kylo's emotional state can be as much a factor here too, having his uncle, former protector attacking him and all) then all bets are off. It becomes a matter of strength or skill in a duel. The only thing that saves Kylo in such a situation is that he can still affect the environment with the force, but Chewbacca's been around force users for huge chunks of his life. I don't think he'd be ignorant of what a force user can do.

    In such situations, I tend to look at RPGs. When a Jedi attempts to use a power, it's not a guarantee. The more powerful they are, the more likely of success, but if it's a power that is targeted to an individual, than the quality of that individual makes it harder for the Jedi to succeed. It goes back to Obi-Wan in ANH with his reference to a mind trick working on the weak minded. It's not one sided for the force user alone, the individual has a say in the matter, regardless if they're a force user or not. Chat Bane would likely not succumb to many of those powers, not due to race, but due to strength of will, experience ect... Otherwise it would be laughable if a force users only challenge would be himself or other force users. If the force is even in a rock, then it must also be in individuals who are not force sensitive. By that very nature, they'd have a resistance, and it could be greater depending on their life experience and force of will.

    So going to the mortal combat explanation, I don't think it's as clear cut. Now maybe I'm wrong and everything Obie-Wan said in ANH was bs. In that case sure, I guess Chewie has no chance. But that doesn't seem to be the message the ST has been imparting on viewers so far. The message I see is the force is infinitely more accessible then we realized, but quite possible be much more nuanced (broom boi). There could very well be latent force resistance, or maybe proximity to force users naturally raises ones resistance by proxy. All I'm saying is that there is a lot we don't understand about the Force that can be toyed with by writers. If I'm expected to swallow the pill that force downloads, force Skype, FG affecting the real word and force projections are things, then I think my theories are a much easier pill to swallow. In that case, a mortal combat fight could not be as lob sided as assumed. Chewie has the benefit of much greater physical strength, added with decades of military experience and a unique knowledge of Kylo/Ben.

    I just don't think it's that clear cut.
     
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    They might scuffle. A moment where Kylo is separated from his Lightsabre and has to deal with a superstrong walking carpet. But I don't think you are going to get a real duel.

    If there is any redemption for Kylo I think it runs over Chewie. Han, and Luke are dead a touching mother and son scene is complicated.
     
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    This would be AMAZING.
     
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    I'm okay with a lot of things as long as there is no duel between Kylo and BB8.
     
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    It seems great minds in Hollywood have thought about this already... puts an end to our debate :D



    Don't agree with the outcome, and it's an old vid, but it relates to the topic haha.
     
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    There have been weapons that can defend against the lightsabers for a very long time like General Grievous's droids in ROTS
     
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    Wasn't it recently confirmed that there is a scene in Episode 9 where Rey holds Chewbacca's bowcaster? Starting to wonder if JJ is going to kill off Chewbacca in this one. Could be what draws Rey into another duel with Kylo.
     
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    I think the possibility of Chewie facing Kylo is very high, especially if you consider the rumors of other characters holding his bowcaster. What if they have it not because he's dead (yet) but because he went to face Kylo with a weapon that could match a Lightsaber, like others have suggested.
     
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    ... If anyone gets to kick Kylo's ass it will be Rey and she won't need a bowcaster for doing that.
     
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    Yeah, I don't think Chewie would really stand a chance against Kylo. I'm pretty sure it's a definite that Rey will the one that end's up killing him.
     
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    Nah, she's not going to kill him, no way.
     
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    How do you think it will go? Will he be redeemed?
     
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    I do hope so. But either way I don't see our heroine ending Kylo Ren.
     
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    Same. Rey beating him in TFA got me angry enough, but her ending him would push me over the figurative edge. :p
     
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    But this had to happen : p he deserved it big time :D
     
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    It should actually be the other way round.

    Kylo kills Rey (or Rey gets killed by someone else), then Kylo regrets his deeds and brings Rey back to life (Anakin always wanted to save Padme - his love - from death, but he couldn't. Kylo can => "I will finish what you started".). But it comes with a cost. Kylo/Ben will lose his ability to use the force.

    This is what I want, I guess.
     
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    This is actually a very beautiful idea (not trying to be weird :p). He sacrifices everything that he has worked towards, to be as powerful as Darth Vader, for someone that he actually cares about.
    It would be a different take on the usual redemption story as well.
     
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