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Controversy Over the New Death Troopers

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Kylo Solo, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. Travcon

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    Since you and Amanaman very apparently have zero military experience yet seem to be experts on what is militarily logical when in reality what you are both saying doesn't make sense in a sci-if movie actually does exist in plenty of real world examples.
     
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    And yet you are trying to use facts from real life to cover for the flaws from a fantasy world. You want to talk facts? Then use them SW based and not based on real life events. Or wouldn't it have been easier for the Rebels to make a bomb like the ones that were used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Thermal detonators could have been used as the basis for said bombs and that could have ended the Death Star real quick. This is fantasy Travcon and like it or not your real world theories don't apply. USA couldn't transport the necessary equipment to take down the Bismark quickly enough nor did they have the tech at hand to prevent the attack on Pearl Harbor but we are talking about a fantasy world were ships have LIGHTSPEED. All it would have taken was for Vader to call in a Star Destroyer to bring the necessary equipment and BAM! Lightspeed! Need Tie Strikers, Tanks or Elite Troopers even if they are light years away? LIGHTSPEED! You don't have to be a real life military genius to figure that out.
     
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    So you want to limit Sci-if by constraints that don't exist in reality. Makes sense.....

    Let's use the ww2 example you used. I could go from the European theater to the Pacific theater with the same nations military and see vast differences in the types of gear, vehicles and even unit types being deployed even when performing similar missions depending on what was available and most expedient at the time. Yet in the SW universe if there isn't the homonegenous existence of the same gear, vehicles, and units across an entire galaxy at war that some how screams inconsistency?
     
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    This is 'controversy' only for those who imagine that the galaxy is a size of their neighborhood and Imperial army as a monolith that doesn't adapt to anything, ever, including terrain, climate, equipment availability, etc.
     
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    Or that things don't evolve similar to real life. I would use the example of the US navy. Let's take the early 2000's as an example with its aircraft. Just a couple years prior the Navy had a-6, ae-6, e-3, f-14 and f-18 aircraft all performing different roles. But aircraft carrier by aircraft carrier though they were switching over to almost all f-18 airframes just slightly modified to fill all those roles with the exception of the e-3. Further most us navy ships have assigned specific marine units, and sometimes even seals depending on the mission of the boat. So on say a ship sailing near the Phillipines and it had to stop and board a ship they suspect of piracy they would only have a marine boarding party while a US naval ship sailing off the coast of Mogadishu if it had to board another ship would have a seal team and marines available.

    I could go on and on with examples of when some units, vehicles, troop type would be available in some locations but not in others and distance would not be the only factor involved. There can be expansions and contractions of the availability those same things in the real world. Thus the same occurring in a GFFA makes total sense.
     
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    Soooo... you guys are telling me that we didn't get to see the WHOLE Empire during the OT?

    I think my childhood just got ruined, again.
     
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    Re: a point frequently made here and elsewhere about Vader being more important than Krennic, and thus, why doesn't he get Death Troopers...

    Okay, yes, Darth Vader is a Sith Lord, but was he "all-important" within the Empire at this point, or was he viewed (by most) as the Emperor's go-to enforcer and not much else? At least one person in A New Hope didn't even believe in the Force ("Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways..."), much less in Darth Vader's ability to use it, and Tarkin was obviously in a superior ranking position to Vader in the original film, too.

    Krennic likely outranks Vader - he likely outranks a lot of people! - so of course he would get specialized troops that even Vader wouldn't get. And besides, whether Vader is known to be a Force-user throughout the Empire or not, the Emperor knows that he's powerful, can deal with things, and wouldn't likely need Death Troopers.
     
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    I a ways saw Vader as an egoistic guy, knowing that he is the Chosen one and stuff, never a teamplayer. I wonder if it would be out of character to have special interest in his own gang, besides the 501st and hired guns. I mean it could be the a problem that Kylo would like to avoid with his Knights of Ren.
     
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    Yep, this.
     
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    Is this seriously a thing? Chill people it's a war film.
     
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    There are only like 8/10ish Death Troopers right?? Around that! Maybe they all die by the end of the film!
     
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    It wouldn't be unusual for the personal guard of a particular leader to join the boss In death. So if Krennic gets the good ol Force choke of death or otherwise bites it, other rivals such as Vader or Tarkin wouldn't trust them for anything and kill them off too.
     
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    Ok guys you had your fun. Let's cool off a bit and rethink any further steps. I'll temporarily lock this thread and maybe delete any off topic discussions, so the thread can move on to new adventures.

    EDIT: I deleted most of the off topic stuff. Please address the post not the poster and revenge ratings won't be tolerated.
     
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    I think you’re spot-on!

    So here are my thoughts on this: Because Vader can take the rebel scum mano-a-mano, he don’t need status symbols such as Death troopers, he’s the one and only real death dealer. He don’t need crapy, cool looking guys to steal the show because they work so fine as background for his white admirals dress. Krennic is all wits & style, Vader is Force (choke) and red lightsaber. And for Tarkin: He’s above the level to show off, he let his tactics do the work.

    And this stuff was already discussed several times before in the cantina: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....es-negative-criticism.9825/page-3#post-298683
     
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    There are a lot of stormtrooper variants. The reason we typically see the standard white ones is easy- they simply make up the bulk of the army.

    Seeing new stuff in this film can easily be explaines- Scariff is reportedly a huge military industrial planet- it's likely we're going to see more prototypey stuff, as opposed to the standard issue front lines tech that we typically see.
     
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    Your post had a couple of minor spelling errors and it hurt my eyes so I didn't read it.




    Kidding.




    I can see your point, but these are movies, so I give them a pass. I'm one who likes to see 'new stuff' in each film, so even if logically it might not make sense, I'm down. At least the 'new stuff' looks like it could possibly be related to the 'old stuff'. It's not like we will be seeing totally off the wall stuff like a chrome colored stormtrooper...............................wait.

    DBH!
     
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    ANH is fairly small-scale in scope. We don't see a whole lot of the galaxy, just some desert planet on the Outer Rim and some of the Death Star.

    This is a huge galaxy. There's room for a whole lot to be happening at any given time. There's no reason why we'd need Death Troopers or beach troopers (whatever they're called) in ANH.
     
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    We have seen stormtroopers with A/C backpacks ("Sandtroopers"), EVA backpacks ("Spacetroopers") and in a forest environment as the standard foot soldier. The necessity of a "Shoretrooper" really isn't that clear to me either.



    Considering the fact that the crew on Vader's Devastator in ANH was entirely 'black' the whole illegal seizure of a diplomatic vessel (Tantive IV) looked like a black ops to me. Of course, should the Death troopers take no captives, then it was understandable that Vader used Stormtroopers instead, he wanted prisoners, not bodies.



    Then why didn't we see those pursuing the Falcon near Cloud City in ESB? Certainly Vader posted a blockade around Cloud City, but we only saw standard TIE fighters (and I'm sure the Executor would have carried TIE Strikers, too).

    Considering all the atmosperic fighting in TFA, the TIE Striker would have definitely fit in there, while the TFA TIE fighter with its rear guns would have perfectly suited an ANH prequel, being a great historical analogy to the WWII US airplanes like the Douglas TBD Devastator and the Douglas SBD Dauntless which also featured rear gunners before these fell out of fashion. ;)
     
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    Don't get me wrong; your replies are logical.. but I just truly believe that we haven't seen everything available in the Imperial Military. It's a big galaxy.
     
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