David Benioff and D.B. Weiss Will Not Go to a Galaxy Far, Far Away

Yet they used that line for Spidey and they got a deal done. "Fiege was too busy."

 

Quick Game of Thrones tangent - the decreased number of episodes appears to have been driven by HBO. The reason being that the cast was paid BY THE EPISODE, and HBO sought to save some money since the production budget had grown considerably over the history of the show. Especially since a great deal of effects heavy episodes were a regular part of the final couple of seasons.

As for Dave & Dan? I think it's disappointing news. Especially since I thought that they would be excellent candidates for exploring the ancient history of the Jedi and the Sith. But perhaps the last couple of seasons of Game of Thrones were the clincher here. Because there was a notable shift in style and tone once the HBO series had gone beyond the written work of George RR Martin. Still, I thought that they had promise for coming into a Star Wars trilogy of their own.

The possibly related news that I'm waiting for? What are the Russo brothers going to be up to next? I understand that their next project is going to be small in scale. But I couldn't help but notice that they turned up on The Star Wars Show a couple of months ago. And how can the directors of some of the biggest genre films of the past decade NOT take a meeting with Kathleen Kennedy while they were in town? I thought that they might have been poised to direct one or more of the Dave & Dan movies since the Russo's are directors by trade and not screen writers. But perhaps they might bring on the writing team they worked with on the Captain America and Avengers projects...if a Star Wars project comes their way.

 

What I have read is the opposite... That Weiss and Benioff were given the opportunity by HBO to make 10 episode seasons, but they decided to do less so that they could wrap it up and start working on Star Wars and other projects.

Anyway, for me it is not only about how long these two seasons where, it is that with them writing, the show took a turn from the complex and intriguing plot elements that actually made it popular and turned it into another knights and dragons show with predictable plot...

I don't know if they were in pressure by GRRM or HBO, maybe they could really do a good Star Wars show, but I hadn't put much faith in them...

 

There are so many movies and tv series that never make it beyond the planning stage. Pretty much every studio, director, producer, and actor has been involved with multiple projects that never came to be. Those just don't garner nearly the amount of attention Star Wars does. It doesn't mean anyone is bad at their jobs. Actually, just the opposite. Every single idea can't possibly make it to the screen, so knowing when to move on is good. Also doesn't mean having ideas in the first place is bad.

 

We need to take this into account as well:

 

I think this decision to shelve this and RJs trilogies is for the best. It looks like after a series of less than ideal decisions the powers that be are making some moves to save the future of the franchise.

 

Has it been said the RJ trilogy is canceled

 

No. In fact it's been the opposite.

 

RJs change in tone and language points to yes. He used to be very definitive and assured when being asked in interviews about his trilogy. Recently though his tone and language has drastically changed to way more hedgy and uncertain. My take is he and LFL/Disney are engaging in some face saving for some major shifts in the future of SW. RJ fans cling to hope though which hey if they want to waste their time doing it’s their time so do with it what they will. Even in the supposed seeming reversal, reversal RJ devotees point to as a big “hahaha boom you are wrong” is pretty luke warm at best and still points to his trilogy being diplomatically shelved.

 

And yet the only trilogy that's been shelved is BW. Knives Out is a critical success, if it's also a box office success. You can pretty much guarantee he is getting his trilogy.

 

Let's not turn this into another "is Rian Johnson doing Star Wars thread." Until it's announced he's gone it's just speculation. Someone in the concerned thread just yesterday said D&D were brought on because of Rian Johnson. That held up well. There's just too much speculation about things we don't know. We don't know what films are in development. We don't eve know what they're about and who is involved.

It seems that Kevin Feige's arrival may be related, but we'll have to wain and see.

I'm actually happy to see D&D gone from this project. I liked the last season of Game of Thrones and they've taken way too much heat over it, but I'm not convinced these two guys are new content creators. The did a fantastic converting a book into a TV series, but the jury is out on their creative side.

 

Star Wars is the new DC. It might be time to follow the time-tested rule of "it's not coming out unless there's a trailer."

 

I was looking forward to seeing their take on the Star Wars universe, and think they could have done some great stuff. But maybe they will return in the future. I really hope Rian's movies are still coming out.

 

It's more than just that. They stubbornly removed major plot elements, all of which had massive repercussions in seasons 7 and 8. They themselves recently said, and I wish I could find it right now but I'm trying to remember where I saw it, that they were more interested in the political elements of the story and not so much the fantastic parts. By season 7 it had become dick jokes, shock and spectacle instead of story.

Had they slowed down, and not been in such a hurry to get it over with, things could have been different. Each of the books could have been two seasons. Sure, George bears some responsibility as well, but it's not like they didn't know he was notoriously slow. They knew this going in.

Oh well, best of luck to them. I'm not going to shed a tear for them, as Netflix has given them a bloody mint.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 29, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 29, 2019 ---

This is totally wrong. HBO has been quoted multiple times as saying they'd have given them any thing they wanted to continue. I don't know where you got this from. Last I saw, back in the spring, was that the last thing HBO was interested in was a. cutting their budget and b. ending the show.

Either way, it doesn't matter now.

 

My take is after the way a Fandom responded to the end of GoT they werent excited to work in a universe which already has a very loud and obnoxious negative group called the Fandom Menace and others not associated that really seem to just want to give creators hell. I suspect that some successful creative people have been chased away. Already chased off Christopher McQuarrie.

 

They've said multiple times they don't pay any attention to the internet and what people online think. If that's true they're blissfully unaware of that toxic community. NetFlix gave them big bucks so it's not like people don't want their services. Lucasfilm went into a waiting game after Solo so who can blame them for not wanting to wait around for a plan?

 

Oh yeah you always believe people when they say that. So now they go to create something that has no built in fandom to judge immediately. Think about this the excuse for them cancelling on comic-con was they were busy working on Star Wars. Looks like that really wasnt the case. So the guys that say they didnt pay attention to internet and what people think online skipped out at a event where lots of fans were waiting to complain. They are going to do some project on NetFlix and I doubt any will have a built in fandom.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if they offer them more money due to Nexflix loosing tons of content because of Disney+