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Emphasis on the "practical" - what is lost and gained

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Momaw Nadon, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. Voodoochild

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    From all the trailers and TV spots we already saw, tons of CGI were used in the ships battles, for obvious reasons. And nobody complained. I think it's a great indication of the good balance of pratical and CGI FX.

    True. Also, nice that you got the Brazilian trailer with subs. :p
     
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    There were for real, though, in all seriousness but everyone discounts it because of the sheer amount of "at-the-time" cutting-edge CGI .
     
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    They could have at least made the sand pink, the ice green, SOMETHING....
     
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    Ice Green ey?

    lol
     
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    Lol, why not?
     
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    I suppose it depends on your own perception of what looks more realistic:

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    OR THIS:
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    OR THIS:
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    that stuff was TEN years ago though
     
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    The practical stuff was 35-38 years ago.
     
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    I have always thought the effects were the least of the PT's problems really.
    The execution of the story, the acting, the dialogues, ... they are the main reason why I like the OT more.
    Take for instance a film like King Kong. I will always like the original more than any of the remakes despite the fact that on a technical level the remakes 'look' better. That may be, but they don't feel better.
    If there's one reason I still revisit the PT it is because of the alien environments and the fantastic designs (and the music) they created using CG ... Not because I love the characters or the way a potentially classic tragedy was butchered.
     
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    You know, in elementary school science class, my teacher told me one time that the reason that the sky is blue is because of certain chemicals that make up our ozone layers, and, without it, the sky could potentially be pink or some stuff like that. But, the DI would easily take care of any consistencies, not CGI. In the case of the film stock itself, it's probably coated in chemicals to "tint" it and stuff before becoming digitized and the further tweaked, which I wouldn't consider CGI, which I'm sure as a fact that The MF and TIEs and all are, on top of building physical models and 3D-scanning them into a computer for the most realistic CGI effects to date, since ILM is constantly pushing the envelope .
     
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    It was just a different time.... and some effects were really good
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    I'll take the Jedi space battles (save a visible matte box or line here and there) over the the Sith clusterf*** of fakeness:

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    Even though obviously sharper-looking, the lighting and texturing of the CG just doesn't sell as looking real to me. Too video gamey.
     
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    Actors that do not fit into badly lit CGI surroundings.
    Actors that do not know what to do, because the person they're supposed to be speaking to does not exist.

    That's the diffew.
    CGI has a time and a place and it's a wonderful tool.
    But it's only one, not the hammer in a world of nails
     
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    Out of these, I like: CGI YODA, stormtroopers, but ROTS troopers look more realistic than AOTC, like ANH with Luke, and WHO GREENLIT FELICIA LIKE THAT, looks totally unfininkshed.
     
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    who knows
     
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    The prequels will always be bashed and praised passionately by any number of people. It will always remain a topic of debate. That's just the way it's going to be.
     
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    We have to keep in mind that SW a was used as a testing platform for ALL of ILM's technology that spilled over into all
    Other genres of movies that they have worked on, and, if it wasn't for Star Wars, we wouldn't have many of our favored CGI movies that are non-Star Wars, so we should still appreciate it for what it is.
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 30, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 30, 2015 ---
    That's the beauty of today's CGI where Pre-CGI is lit into a frame while the actors do their thing so the mocap is more easily moved around than the physical actors without having to compromise anything .
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    I know. Because it's in my head . Heh .
     
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    I'm no luddite but there's something special about that 1970's technology too; splicing 35mm film (not to romanticize it), the tube mics and valve amps/compressors etc. I think the process of manual lens and mic captured waveforms converted to chemicals/magnetized iron filings and back again is truly magical.

    There's always some magic lost when reducing life to numbers - maybe a little less one's and zero's is a good thing?

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    I think different aesthetics for each SW Trilogy actually benefits the brand more.

    PT : sleek, high times of the republic

    OT: the dark times, non-filtered, "used" world

    ST: Romanticism in terms of The OT, but with the newness of The PT .
     
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