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SPECULATION Finalizer - Weaponry and "The Array"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by thehiredgun, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. thehiredgun

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    There are a couple of shots now that seem to point to some major weaponry on the Finalizer that is different than the OT Star Destroyers.



    In the Micro Machine's Pack "The First Order Attacks", we see the Finalizer with what appears to be charred or fire damage across the bow.

    On the bow of the ship schematics is listed ION CANNON targeting placements.

    There are also a few callouts on the bow that I can't quite make out - some sort of Turbo Laser Cannons?

    One of the rumors in Act III is that General Hux fires "The Array" which essentially wipes out ships on both sides of the space battle.

    Is "the Array" some sort of massive Ion Cannon? Is it an Ion Cannon along with some sort of Missile System?

    What is going on with this ship? Does it have some sort of super weapon?

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    Very astute observation. I'm actually starting to wonder whether the Finalizer is the actual super weapon itself, rather than some planet-based one. And there might be some evidence for this view.

    A few months back, MSW ran an article in which Jason stated he had received a bunch of emails about plot points and characters from TFA. I believe this article was where the "Luke guarding a Sith tomb" rumor got started, but one specific email comes to mind.

    The person (whoever it was) claimed that the Empire's (we didn't know it was the First Order) super weapon was a giant Star Destroyer, the largest one in the Imperial Fleet. Essentially, the SD fired lasers that would effectively rip planets in half; the guy compared the function to those charges Jango Fett fires at Obi-Wan in AOTC. Whether this rumor is true or not, it sounds cool and, in my opinion, more reasonable than some weird planet-based catapult.

    Here's the article for reference:

    http://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/star-wars-force-awakens-psa-rumor-dump-take-leave/

    "There are two super weapons in TFA. The empire weapon is not a planet but a super extreme Star Destroyer, the largest vessel in the imperial fleet. Do you remember the seismic charges Jango used on Obi Wan in AOTC? Well this SESD has a weapon on it than can effectively split a planet in two. There is a scene in IMAX which will demonstrate this, it launchs a bomb that basically sends shockwaves through the core and splits it. It’s supposed to look amazing."
     
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    Love this new fathead pic of the Finalizer! now with added starfield!

    In relationship to the thread, it seems that the Starkiller weapon is planet based and the Finalizer makes a plunge towards the snow planet during the space battle.

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    Where is the "planet based" part coming from? Is this just being assumed?

    It would seem that if the weapon (or possibly a third weapon) is used on Maz's planet and is then being charged to be used in the final scene, that it could logically be placed upon the Finalizer. It would fit the name and its mobility.
     
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    like that picture a lot, why do i get the feeling those raised areas at the rear can retract into the hull.?
     
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    The Star Wars databank lists Starkiller base as:
    http://www.starwars.com/databank/starkiller-base
    The weapon being planet based seems to fit better with Poe trying to take out turrets near "the installation" - plus the giant structure with the red curtain in the first order parade seems to be an odd shape for a "building" - and may in fact be the array or weapon or something related to this starkiller weapon.

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    There was a rumor on reddit that now seems more plausible - that the Finalizer falls down to the snow planet - which would make sense with the scorch marks on the hull - unless of course the finalizer is damaged in whatever the "array" is that takes out all the ships on both sides of the space battle. (rumor).
     
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    wasnt there a leak on reddit a while ago that claims they see jakku being obliterated as they flee it?
     
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    If the Starkiller weapon takes out Star Systems - does it actually "kill stars?"

    If it does, it seems unlikely that it would obliterate the planet. Planets that lose their stars would be flung out into the depths of space, but wouldn't necessarily be destroyed as illustrated by this very cool video...



    Not to say that the film would follow this logic - they may just opt for a massive explosion taking out everything in the system.... more of a making the star go supernova than the star go away kinda thing...

    However there was a credible rumor that the extras at Maz's castle were told to look up into the sky as if a big explosion had happened - and yet after this event - the stormtroopers attack. While the castle is in shreds, the surrounding woods aren't.

    If the First Order uses the Starkiller weapon in Maz's system - then the sun may go out - but they'd still have minutes or hours before they'd be screwed.
     
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    But... What about water skimming scene? I was under the impression that the REsistance Base and MAz's's'sseseses Castle were on the same planet and the X-wings were mobilized to go help it...

    And It stands to reason the x-wings would only eb mobilized AFTER the attack...

    where the hell does that scene fit in ANY fan synopsis?
     
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    I doubt its based on the terrible Battlestar Galactica Episode Gun on Ice Planet Zero because even as a child that never made sense to me - a gun stuck on a planet, and is only good at firing on something coming from one specific direction, IF the planet happens to be facing the right way when its needed.

    Doesn't it make more sense that the weapon has been developed here at this stronghold and their plan would be to eventually move it and install it on the largest ship in their fleet- the Finalizer?/ the Space Nazi's 'Final Solution' if you will.
    Yup subtle as a sledgehammer there :p
     
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    Perhaps it's not supposed to be activated more than once? Maybe the idea is you build it on a planet in a given system, then you activate it, and it destroys the system it's in. Maybe it somehow uses hyperdrive to shoot around the galaxy? Or maybe, they've managed to make the entire planet mobile... as though it were a semi-natural death star?
     
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    That's a great pic!

    Just an FYI- Here's some closeup pics I took of the Black Series First Order Star Destroyer, to add to the collection/discussion-

    titanium-sd (2).JPG titanium-sd (4).JPG
     
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