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Hide & Seek aka The Odd Couple Starring Luke and Plagueis

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Willybobo, Feb 9, 2015.

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    Multiple rumors point to Luke being in hiding for a considerable amount of time. So let's talk about where he could possible be hiding. If Luke has grown exponentially in the force since we last saw him, he'd need find a hiding spot just like master Yoda's... logic being, the force given off by a significant place can mask one's own force signature as it were.

    I'm nowhere near as versed in the two kinds of forces (living force and um… that other one) as some of you guys, so feel free to school me, but here's what it looks like from my POV:

    Yoda chose Dagobah because a powerful Sith was/is buried there. This powerful soul trapped in a cave gave off a certain seismic force reading, which Yoda could use as a smokescreen. This was necessary because other powerful force users such as Vader and Sheev could sense a large enough force reading halfway across the galaxy.

    (This is troubling for a few reasons, but mainly, why would other Sith allow crypts dedicated to their predecessors to remain? Out of honor? Pffft… Sith and honor? I would imagine Sheev and his ilk are smart enough to know that such a spot could be used as a smokescreen, and furthermore, could be looted by upstarts... the entire mystery behind whether Sith artifacts are imbued with power strikes me as something that would be widely known by other Sith... which again begs the question why leave the stuff around? Why not loot it all yourself, steal whatever power the relics held, then destroy the caves/tombs so no one else could do the same?)

    Given some of the leaked artwork, many people are speculating that Luke indeed inherited Yoda's Jedi mancave on Dagobah to continue using it as cover. But if Luke wanted to hide from EVERYONE (Sister and Republic busybodies included) he'd have to find a new spot, or somehow move the corpse/artifact on Dagobah to wherever he wanted to go. This is crazy, but technically couldn't Luke carry the corpse/artifact with him wherever he went to create a portable force cover?

    I really enjoy the idea that a jedi and Sith are interwined in such a way. It adds to the “balance” logic.

    If Luke wants to hide, unfortunately, he needs to bunk up with a long dead uber-powerful Sith. They have a symbiotic relationship. Luke needs the Sith as a force smokescreen… while the Sith needs Luke to keep from going CRAZYYYYYYYYY!!!! Sorry, taking a step back, I’m assuming this Sith is physically dead, but alive in the sense that he/she can speak and provide visions and such, just not take on a living breathing form. No one likes to be alone, so if they can lure someone to their crypt/tomb, they begin to chat via force brain skype (lol) to the passersby.

    It’s the force version of the Odd Couple. Of course, the question that immediately haunted (heh) me was:
    Which one is Oscar, and which one is Felix? Just kidding. The question I had was:

    Did Yoda talk to this dead Sith at some point too, or did he ignore the evil soul’s attempt at small talk? And if they spoke via force mind skype, what could they have chatted about?

    P.S. First person to reply and claim I stole their exact train of thought from a thread 8 months old wins an undead roommate for life.
     
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    You stole my exact train of thought from a thread from 8 months ago!
     
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    Well, I think the idea behind that spot is, according to Sith, “There is a dark burial tomb there” and we know that. So, if the tomb/remains were physically moved…the Sith would notice. In other words.


    “Ok…umm…I knew there was dark energy on Dagobah…but why is it moving through space right now?”


    Other than that, it pretty much makes sense…I do wonder the same thing though. If it harbors so much energy…why aren’t the Sith taking it. The only thing I can figure is that they energy isn’t “harvestable” until The Force…Awakens.
     
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    Lol
     
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    So Sith can't rob their own? There must be a reason... Sith are painted as power hungry... no way in hell they are not looting burial grounds, or destroying them (if in fact they can't get into them and harvest the powers for some reason)... why leave it around for some other schmoe to use?
     
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    Do we know that Dagobah was a Sith burial site? I'm actually just wondering because that would be an awesome wrinkle in everything if it was confirmed.

    I was actually intrigued with Ezra's trial in the Jedi Temple in Lothal, it made me think the "cave" on Dagobah was another one of these Jedi temples that can cause visions to occur. Still if the planet Dagobah itself is a Force nexus, it would have attracted both Dark and Light.
     
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    I love how things are fleshing out
    reports from months ago are reshaping into a clearer vision
     
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    No, I mean they WOULD harvest it for sure. As long as it was available to be done. Maybe until the point that the forces awakens…they couldn’t…it was just energy from a burial site. No need to go take it. NOW that the force has awakened…they CAN harvest that energy and/or take an artifact that’s useful. No reason to do it before, but now there is, so maybe Luke’s hiding spot is in danger.
     
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    Interesting... something somehow outs both Luke and his undead roommate... but what could it be?
     
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    What if it is a threat to The Force itself?

    What if Jedi and Sith work together against this threat?
     
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    Well…since Fear, Anger, and Hate fuel the dark side…


    Can you get stronger via obsession? Like Anakin with his impervious drive to save Padme eventually turning him evil over his greed, selfishness, and fear that he called “love”?


    A greedy and obsessed Sith/Dark Sider could be really formidable if the emotion of it all was strong enough to empower him/her.
     
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    I like this angle a lot... what if some very charismatic politician convinces the galaxy that the force is the enemy. Lo and behold, they develop a a weapon that kills the force... anyone force sensitive becomes diseased...
     
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    That just leaves another hole. That very well could have been a Jedi temple on Dagobah.
     
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    The idea that a powerful dak side user inhabited the Dagobah Cave came from the Zahn trilogy. While those stories are no longer canon, that doesn't mean it couldn't be adopted into or be a source of inspiration for this story. I'm of two minds here ... it was either Jedi Temple or a Sith Shrine. These types of places seem to enhance (or say hone) strong Force energy. Perhaps it was neither and has some connection to the Whills. Either way it seems that being tapped into such a place, increases the ability to connect with similar Force nexuses. I had a thought that perhaps Luke travelled back yo Dagobah and returned to the cave. There in meditation, he's able to discern another ... more powerful place ...
     
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    He returned to Yoda because he made a promise to finish his training, many have followed in searching the cave, George Lucas once wrote he was going to send Leia to Dagobah to reveal a vision of Luke & Vader's lightsaber that took place on Cloud City but decided Luke telling her on Endor was the best option, this cave holds many secrets those dare to find.
     
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    What if Luke is hiding in plain sight? But using the Sith to hide himself.
     
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    Darth Vader was pretty powerful.. so maybe he is with Anakin.. He was both master of dark side and the light.. ("There has been an awakening.. the dark side and the light)
     
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    Or maybe someone has stolen & jedi/sith holocron something has awoken to get it back.

    Well he did master force cloak & force stealth powers in his elder years so the sith presence would not be needed.
     
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    Like I speculated a little before, we've heard several rumors regarding a megaweapon, imagine something so powerful it could anihilate The Force itself, and the only way it can be stopped is that both remaining Jedi & Sith have to join Force (no pun intended). Let's say, this very threat is some sort of a magnet that drags all remaining Force users to one place, at first, they think it was meant to be a showdown between Forces of Good and Evil, but instead, The Force asks them to play in the same team for once to stop the weapon... What happens after, I don't know... Sith and Jedi shake hands and part ways. I don't know but I have the 1979 movie "METEOR" in mind.
     
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    Yoda chose Dagobah for his exile because due to the massive life forms there he would not be detected as easily by the Sith.
     
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