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SPECULATION How did plagueis/snoke survive?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Darth Plagueis and Revan, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. Empire Jo

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    I imagine it's because he's sucking the force out of all the people who want it to be Plagueis, which has thus been psychically affected by all those that would like to take a metaphorical light saber to their heads, lol.

    On a more serious note, how badass must the guy who did that to Snoke's head be? I dont know how this affects my viewing of Snoke as a seriously evil bady. How good a bady can he be to have let that happen?
     
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    Darth Sidious level badass. Wink wink.

    And he's so good a baddie because he let it happen and survived!

    #PlagueisConfirmed
     
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    I don't know if it was just a fake on reddit but there was a post were they described a new tfa Lego game. In this game there should has been a level with a scene of plagius attacked by sidious. Afterwards the essence of the deadly injured plagius seeks for a force sensitive body to become the new host of his dark essence..
    Like I said above, I don't really know if this just a good fantasy story of someone guessing...

    Perhaps someone of you has the whole background or source for that..

    Ok I just recognized that this was something from fakingstarwars..

    nevertheless nice ideas
     
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    How do you know that Plagueis and Snoke are the same? Wasn't Plagueis killed by Palpatine, which was hinted in "Revenge of the Sith"? And isn't the 2005 movie canon?


    Why is it so important to people that Plagueis and Snoke are the same? Why?
     
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    Because he's the only character that could tie the trilogies together, be linked with Vader (he could be written as the creator of Vader, as hinted at in rots) and he learned how to save others and so it's not a big jump if he did it for himself.

    Any other villain will require a great deal of exposition, will probably be a retcon and won't connect as well to the other films or characters.
     
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    Because it would stave off complete bafflement over the character if his identity and motives aren't explained until IX. Plagueis is referenced in canon, so he's a good fit and would prove hundreds of people's theories correct - people like being right.

    (pwned)
     
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    Because Snoke's existence within the saga requires more than one explanation and Plagueis' continued inclusion requires nothing of the sort.

    New isn't better. Ask Lucas about Count Dooku and then ask him about bringing Darth Maul back, after trying out his Franken-brother. Forget being right, Snoke needs to be Plagueis, so I don't have to go buy any of the new EU stuff.:p Seriously, Snoke appears to have cheated death, so I don't get the need to replace Plagueis with someone new unless they are only replacing Hego Damask. Dropping all things Sith, makes sense in a galaxy that was run into the ground by Bane's Order.
     
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    well some times new is better, in this case I think it's the same, if they have a good story for a brand new character (that can be explained in the movies) then they should go with it, but if the story is not strong enough or it cannot be told in the movies because it's too complicated, they should go with plagueis ;)
     
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    Maybe some rewrites are due to fans clamor for Snoke to be Plagueis. Perhaps, what they had dreamt up initially just isn't going to work out as well?
     
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    Maybe some rewrites are due to fans clamor for Snoke to be Snoke. Perhaps, their original idea for Snoke to be Plagueis just isn't going to work out as well?
     
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    Just look at Snoke. Half his head is missing. He is described as vulnerable. He's scarred to hell.
    Fact is - he must've cheated death in some way to live beyond those injuries.

    Now, who do we know who might have that knowledge? Plagueis.
    It's just silly to have it be someone else - someone who pre-dated Plagueis.
     
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    The thing is Snoke is of an alien species.
    While those injuries might be life threatening to humans. It may not be life threatening to Snoke's species.

    I don't even remember there being any clues that Snoke died in the first place.
     
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    Regardless of his species he is described as vulnerable. We also now have this:

    snoke.jpeg


    And he has extensive scarring and clearly IS badly injured.
    Not saying he was dead at any point - just gravely injured but has avoided death somehow.
    Plagueis didn't resurrect people - he kept them safe from death. He kept them alive when they should have died.
    The suggestion is he did that for himself after Palpatine tried to kill him.
     
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    Snoke has burnt somehow in his story. I don't think he's Plagueis.
     
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    Burnt by lightning. Palpatine's favoured execution technique. ;)
     
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    I was going to add new remarks but post #25 was fairly clear.

    I'm interested in the recent: 02/2016 news that there WAS a deleted Frank Oz/Yoda scene from TFA. :eek:

    This might have been the rumored Vietnam cave scene(a little known cave that's super, super huge). Yoda might have explained to Luke more about Plaguis or maybe showed before Rey to warn her of the risks with Snoke.

    I'd add here too that I think Yoda feared Plaguis because he could live forever & not be killed. This might be why Yoda was leery of the Skywalkers.
     
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    Oh I see, well there are still some missing pieces as to how Snoke went about recovering from his injuries.

    But I wouldn't call it a foregone conclusion that Snoke healed himself. I mean who is to say that his injuries can't be healed with medical treatment at the First Order ER.

    Anakin suffered fatal injuries, but still lived thanks to Palpatine arriving on time and equipping him with a respirator.
     
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    He didn't that's how.
     
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    Plagueis dead body has been burried in a tomb on the planet Moraband. It is the place with strongest presence of Dark side in the Galaxy. Here are tombs of the greatest Sith who ever lived. Plagueis spirit mnaged to emanate at the tomb using strong presence of Dark side just like the Spirit of Darth Bane in Clone wars. Than, using the knowledge he posessed to save from death the others, Plagueis spirit revived his body to some extent.He lives but its questionable can he survive without strong Dark side presence on Moraband.So he uses hologram.So he could be on Moraband, known also as Korriban.
    Just speculation of course but could be great and very dark.
     
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