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How Snoke Seduced Kylo.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Travisamo, Jan 6, 2016.

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  1. AstromechRecords

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    Is this real ?
     
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    Yep, it went on TV.
     
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    Your tv or on cable ?
     
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    I think I was looking for Plagueis to be the mega-Palpatine in the way he manipulates and influences. Possibly even the dreams of Ben (ex: Padme dying in Anakins dreams). I find that Palpatine seduced the most powerful Jedi in the universe, possibly with Plagueis hidden influence, then Plagueis seducing Ben is also very plausible.
     
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    I odn't think that Palpatine put that in Anakin Skywaler's head, though, since his mind was already unstable enough to see it for himself that it would, and DID, hapen .
     
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    i'm with @AstromechRecords , i think Anakin had that stuff in his own head without Palpatine's help. what Palps did was play off Anakin's existing fears and doubts and fed him a line of BS about being able to bring people back from the dead, etc.
     
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    My theory is almost identical. I'm not so enthused by the "Snoke is speaking to Ben's dreams" alone. Perhaps aspects of that and actual interactions as others have mentioned make this more convincing and allow for better story writing.

    Also, very few people have mentioned that in Rey's vision we are seeing things from her perspective. Kylo actually saves her from another KOR and spares her life. Pretty much the same as you mention above but with the added detail that he kills his fellow Knight to save her (the murdered character is credited as a KOR). This shows that he is even more conflicted than you'd think. Rey represents his weakness towards the light side.

    Overall, your summary brings in to perspective just how sad and tragic Luke's story has become. He will surely be somewhat of a wreck and in a state of shock in the next film and Rey will possibly redeem him. I almost wish they had made this back story episode 7 because it is a very compelling and dark one. Cheers!
     
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    Yeah all Palpatine did was make Anakin Skywalker more paranoid and more delusional .
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    [​IMG] Snoke seduced Kylo like this :)
     
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    Travisamo nice but Andy Serkis said that Snoke was not Plagius and is completely new to Star Wars. Your theory could still work, though.
     
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    He's from
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    Your talking about what was implied at the end of aftermath, right?
    I wonder if the empire found Snoke and took him in to train him, but then Snoke saw the weakness of the empire and destroyed it's leadership, creating the first order.
     
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    Yeah he probably manipulated the blast out of it .
     
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    I love the idea, except for the Plagueis part. I don't think that Disney wants Plagueis to be part of this trilogy. However, he will be getting a standalone movie in 2022. Maybe we'll learn more about him then.
     
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    Woah woah woah woah...! Whe did you get that info?
     
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    Out of his butt, I reckon :p

    Wishful thinking, @JDMoneyMan14 !
     
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    I could accept a redemption arc for Kylo only if Snoke has Force brainwashed Ben since conception. In other words, Ben has been manipulated not only through conversation but direct force manipulation such as a mind trick for his entire life.
     
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