SPECULATION I just had an epiphany!

sure....what if Luke no longer has the force (as it is dormant upon the emperor's death). The balance of the force is that it is no longer needed. Luke knowing he has no power of the force goes and meditates on what to do next....then evil arises through Driver...a search for Luke ensues and we have the need for the force to bless someone new with the power...

As a Christian we always say the Spirit gives gifts when needed to those at such a time as this...could be a similar balance of the force presented.

 

I was making some big assumptions about the force....something of an enlistment of needs for the universe....if it is in balance there would be no need for 'force sensitive' warriors to combat the unnatural evil...however in thinking that perverse dabbling in evil (something outside the 'balance' of nature) would not lure power hungry people is where Luke could mess up! Just a thought really

 

The minor flaw in the Luke goes nuts premise is how in ROTJ(1983) he's calm, relaxed & deliberate in his movements/statements.
It's difficult to think after the climax/ending of ROTJ he'd slowly slide off the rails.
It's a widely held belief that Luke goes off or "hides" himself. I think the 10 year rumor holds up
but not this radical image of him killing people at random or blowing stuff up without even knowing.

The possible "fake Luke" or "evil clone Luke" is feasible.
Daisy may find the REAL Luke at the end of TFA & that's who she hugs(embraces). That would set up EP8.
Dad & daughter reunited.
What a Disney ending....

 

If Luke is the balancing vessel for force... He would die. Hear me out, if the force is in every living creature, even if we're talking microscopic amounts of something... All of that in one person? Luke would be the ultimate ticking time bomb!

But let's play that out:

Maybe that's why other force adepts begin to die? Luke is inadvertently sucking the life force from them... And maybe he becomes aware, but thinks it's for the best since he has seen what the force is capable of in a twisted person?

Or, if he is literally a human balancing act, wouldn't it make sense for him to NEED to let some of that good/bad steam out of his system on occasion? In order to keep from going mental and imploding due to having the weight of heaven and hell resting squarely on his shoulders? In essence he'd have to do random acts of good and bad in equal measure....

Hmm...

 

I think Luke has a relationship with the Force like he has with anyone else(as one would have a relationship with God). Through years of meditation the Force has become conscious to him, an actual being where as he would talk to It, making him look crazy. He does the Force's will to keep it in balance, when those in the galaxy try to sway him to the light or the dark. This is something Anakin attempted but failed at as he was always on one side at not in the middle.

 

An interesting theory. I see a few problems with it, though.

First of all, I don't think that Yoda told Luke to "pass on what he had learned" simply out of sentimentality and a desire to see the Jedi legacy preserved. Any Force user can be tempted by the dark side and possibly fall to it. Can you imagine what would happen if there were only one being in the Universe that could perceive and use the Force, and that person fell to the dark side? With no other Force user there to stop them? There need to be Jedi, if for no other reason than to guard against the inevitable waxing of the dark side's power.

Also, it must be assumed that new Force-sensitive beings are born all the time in the GFFA, whether there is a Jedi Order there to ensure their proper training or not. Even if the idea were that Luke would refuse to train anyone and eventually let the Jedi die with him, there would still be Force sensitives all over the galaxy, all bumbling about with varying degrees of understanding or control over their power. And somebody would inevitably figure out how to harness and hone their power, and a new tradition would grow out of that, much as the Jedi Order did millennia ago.

The final point that I think is important is that I'm not sure that we are necessarily looking at the "balance of the Force" concept properly. Often it seems that people take it to mean that there must be an equal number of light and dark side users, whereas it's always seemed to me that the Sith and the influence of the dark side was, itself, the imbalance. Much the same way that cancer cells are an imbalance in an otherwise healthy body. Eliminate the Sith, and you eliminate the imbalance.

Now, perhaps one of the TFA plot points is that Luke somehow found out about the "balance of the Force" prophecy and misunderstood it to mean parity between the number of dark and light side users, rather than the recreation of a "healthy body" through training of new Jedi in the absence of the imbalance of the dark side and the Sith. However, even this doesn't really make much sense, as Luke apparently had Yoda, Ben and his father floating about the place giving him ghostly advice, at least for a time. Plus, Luke also gained mastery over his own inner conflict by the end of ROTJ, and I think it would be a stretch to assume that he would then turn around and find some validity in the dark side.

In mythological terms, Luke reached the end of his "hero's journey" in ROTJ, while helping his father to heal his own "grail wound" in the process (and healing his own, of course.) To assume, simply for the sake of making more Star Wars movies, that this resolution just didn't take... well, that's a big part of why I was never particularly a fan of the Dark Empire series. It just never made much sense to me to have Luke go through everything he went through, and achieve what he achieved, only to have him suddenly chuck it all out the window just so he could have a go at the dark side.

 

To me I might buy the theory that the force brings an ancient sith lord to power to balance the force if luke indeed becomes to powerful. It might be perceived by the Jedi that the Cancer analogy is correct, but it seems more to me the ying and yang. We need both sides.

I've said many times, Heroes do not become villians off screen while no one is watching. If luke is indeed in hiding, or kidnapped, or whatever, the reason it happened is the whole point of the story. Thus the most secret thing in the film and quite possibly only in the version of the script handed to the characters who shot it and no one else, to prevent leaks.

 

I doubt it will be an ancient sith lord or someone we thought was dead(IE Plagueis) It will be a new threat to the galaxy. And you are correct Luke wouldn't go bad off screen. He'll be crazy I suspect but more of a "I'm on a higher plain" not "2+2=5 if yoda is actually fonzie bear" if you get my drift.

 

I just can't wait for this movie lol

Who wants to break into Lucasfilm with me?

 

Let me tell you guys a dream that I had a few weeks ago about the Force Awakens....

The movie was horrible! God, that was a nightmare. The effects were awful, and there was Lego special effects, very weird. But.... Luke had the beard, there was a Yavin 4 Jedi Temple and Daisy Ridley doing some crazy jumps(like a jump from the ground to the top of the temple) .

Scenes:

A Star Destroyer falling in a ocean planet, the Lego effects I talked about;
Some Imperial thing in the desert(some guy disguised, I think);
"Kira" jumping;
and a Luke face showing.

Yeah, that was a hell of a dream. That's all folks.

 

I think Skywalker will be a lot like the Doc Brown character in the Back To The Future films.
He'll be "mad" but not considered evil. The "Luke in restraints" bit may be true if a "Luke" is going around reeking havoc or destroying things, only to be revealed to be a clone or cyborg.

 

Well, yeah... Luke is calm in ROTJ because he has Darth Vader and the Emperor to balance it out -- he as someone to fight. After they are defeated, the force is out of alignment and thus... it goes to sleep and Luke slowly goes crazy.

 

For the life of me, I have never understood why people think balance might actually mean equal number of Sith and Jedi, in the context of these movies.
And to expand on that, to me, the Force is just what it is explained to be "an energy field created by all living things"... it's just out there, regardless.
I don't see the dark side and light side as pre-existing states of the Force, they are simply two points of view, based on how individuals relate to the Force. The Jedi use the Force for knowledge and understanding, the Sith abuse its power for personal gain. It's not something the Force is, it's how you choose to use it.

That said, I still think it's a neat idea, Ree Yees - it just doesn't have to tie in with the whole balance issue explicitly.
It still makes sense that Luke has followed a different path than most who have gone before him, and I always presumed we were supposed to take with us this idea that there was a shift that started with Qui-Gon "doing things differently" that resulted in Yoda and Obi-Wan (certainly Obi at least) throwing the rulebook out of the window to an extent, when it came to preparing and training Luke.
I always saw him as a "new breed" of Jedi built on the foundations of Qui-Gon's values and the mistakes made by the Jedi order as it existed in the prequels.

It is totally believable that Luke may be struggling with the pressure of being the last of the Jedi, despite getting the job done in ROTJ. With what happened to his father. Does he train Leia? Is he prepared to train anyone?

EDIT: Whoops, lost part of my post there. What I also meant to say, and how this ties in with your theory, is how the nature of Luke's training seems to allow him to embrace the Dark Side and simply "not choose" it. Rather than not educate him about there being a Dark Side. So I can dig the idea of him having light and dark in him, in that sense...

 

Interesting on Wookieepedia it says something very similar.

Another, similar prophecy existed among the Celestial group known as The Ones, although it instead focused on literal balance in the Force and required that the Chosen One succeed the father once the latter had become too old to continue restraining the Son and the Daughter, the embodiments of the Dark side of the Force and the Light side of the Force, respectively, as too much of either would spell disastrous consequences for the galaxy at large.

 

When a friend of mine suggested I thumb through clone wars the father/daughter/son storyline was one I thought had the most potential to carry to film

 

Love this! The Force is just what Obiwan said it was. An energy field created by all living things, etc., etc. This "balance" nonsense is so one dimensional and contrived. I'd be fine if Luke had a life and perhaps endured a terrible tragedy like the death of a wife or child, and then went insane.

 

The problem with these blockbusters is that they really need either more films or more expo, and they are unwilling to give the latter lest they end up with an overly chatty film like the prequels. I do not like the idea of retconning ROTJ's happy ending, with its joyful payoff and release, just to let the story begin in the middle the way it always has. Why not start with the characters in a relatively calm, happy place and then mess it all up for them?