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If Luke died, Kylo caused his death

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Xeven, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Xeven

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    Kylo’s pursuit of his mother and the resistance forced Luke to use that power that killed him.

    Kylo caused the death of Han and Luke. He may not have sliced him in half but his actions directly caused Luke to sacrifice himself

    I am sorry, how could Rey love Kylo without she herself going to Darkside?

    How can a fan be ok with Kylo redemption after he killed our hero’s, his own family. He will likely be complicit in Leia death if she dies.

    No redemption.
     
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  2. RoyleRancor

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    If Padme died, it's because Anakin caused her death.

    He was selfish.
    He caused the death of many Jedi.
    He attacked her.

    No redemption.
     
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    Padmes death was indirect.
     
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    How? Everything about her death was set forth by Anakin's selfishness.
     
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    Luke died FOR Kylo Ren.

    Kylo Ren wants to kill his past. He killed Han and tried to kill Leia, but failed (he doesn't know that though). Kylo thinks if he kills all his ties to the past, then he can be fully live out the dark side. So, Luke did something quite brilliant. He took away the opportunity to get killed by his own nephew. Now Kylo can never achieve his goal (therefore Kylo is shocked and says "no" during that scene.), so his redemption is even more likely.
     
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    Rey doesn’t love Kylo.
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    Fans will accept Kylo’s redemption if it is well told. This a story of fiction. Redemption is in the hands of the writers, not the higher powers...
     
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    Not the Higher powers? KK may have something to say about that.
     
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    By higher powers I meant divine powers or personal moral codes...

    As for KK, I cannot see why she would prefer an outcome over the other... As long as the story is good, I presume she won't mind. Neither will the fans... the rational ones at least.
     
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    My mistake .
     
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    IF Luke is dead....I'm still not convinced of that because it's actually never been stated...not even in the novel, which may have been very intentionally worded. That's just me... :)
     
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    ...he chocked a heavily pregnant girl with twins.
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    They probably learned from their mistakes and are going to retcon it into some new Jedi force power and/or that weird dimension in the rebels show
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    “Luke is gone” Rey says to Leia. “I felt it.”
    “I felt it too,” Leia answers.

    I think this is confirmation that he died.
     
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    No one is ever truly gone.
     
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    Yes I know, but I'm taking that more figuratively for the time being....until I see him all "glowy and Force-Ghosty". :)
     
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    Correct. Force Ghosts. Memories. Not reanimation or fake deaths.
     
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    Anakin 100% caused Padme's death...
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    Yeah, I didn't even think it was really a debate until I heard other people question it.
     
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    If you watch Luke’s final scene it looks like he is physically fine after the initial exhaustion of teleporting. Luke seems to recover and gathers himself enough to sit on that rock with no pain or discomfort.

    Is it possible Luke became one with the force totally on his own? It looked liked he was totally responsible for his own passing. This sounds weird, but could it have been a form of Jedi suicide for lack of a better term?
     
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    In the novelization of TLJ a voice told Luke to let go, so Luke did let go all by himself. I also think he "killed himself" for a higher goal. Kylo Ren can't kill his uncle anymore, thus Kylo can't kill his past and becomer darker. If that makes any sense.
     
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    Yes, like what Obi-Wan did. 'Joining the force at will,' as Lucas put it.
     
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    Well then again we could say Luke caused it by igniting his saber when Ben was sleeping, thereby causing the whole situation to begin with. It's like the thing with Anakin, how he foresaw something happening to someone he loved, tried to stop it, and ended up causing it. So really, it was Luke who caused it. Actually thought, it was Anakin who caused it for wiping out the Jedi and putting the burden on Luke to have to start it all up again. And it was Kenobi's fault for failing Anakin as a teacher, and Darth Maul's fault for killing Qui-Gon so Kenobi would have to take over Anakin's training. Actually it was Watto's fault for gambling Anakin away on a bet. And Shmi's fault for letting Anakin take off with a group of strangers.

    But whoever is to blame for all of this stuff, it's definitely not Darth Sidious or Snoke. Those two are clean. They're just like, peripheral bystanders pretty much just minding their own business and being dragged into all of this against their wills.
     
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