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Inquisitor Plothole

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Lord Ruzetrn, Oct 29, 2015.

  1. Lord Ruzetrn

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    So I have been trying to keep up with Rebels and it seems like the show has been gradually improving in quality but I am left with one majoy plothole question. Almost everyone seems to agree that something major needs to take place (such as death or something) to explain the absence of the Ghost Crew in the Original Trilogy but what about the Inquisitors? This past episode, Always Two There Are, really seemed to solidy the fact that the most important role of the Inquisitors was to hunt down and eliminate the remaining jedi but this seems to leave a major plothole that needs to be worked around. Where were the inquisitors in the Original Trilogy and why were none sent after Luke Skywalker or the Rebel Alliance? It seems like something major, and potentially dark, must take place between Rebels and A New Hope to explain for their complete absence. What do you think might explain for why there are no known Inquisitors around the O.T especially when it comes to hunting down Luke Skywalker? I mean in Kannan and Ezra warrent the use of inquisitors to hunt them down then wouldn't Luke?
     
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    I haven't seen the latest episode (don't worry, you haven't spoiled anything not already known to me), but perhaps it could come down to some sort of liquidation performed by either Vader or the Emperor due to a fear of their power or something? Like maybe they started the group for their specific purpose, but that evolved into something of their own cult as time went on (Dark Side influencing their lust for their own power perhaps), or some perceived weakness of both Vader and the Emperor due to events in Rebels, Rogue One, or ANH caused them to attempt an overthrow.

    On the subject of Vader and the Emperor coming to fear their power, I'm somewhat thinking of what happened to the Knights Templar who (to really brush over a lot of the details) had lost their original purpose/usefulness and yet had far too much power for the likes of some European rulers. They were basically rounded up, charged, tortured and killed, and the order disbanded. Maybe something similar transpired prior to ANH?

    I do agree the main issue with adding content in prequel stuff does have the hazard of then having to answer the question as to why the stuff never came up in the OT.

    I'm also waiting to see if TFA and anything we may learn of the Knights of Ren might shed some light on this... if they even have any relation to the Inquisitors.
     
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    There are only a few inquisitors; I wouldn't be surprised if there are mucking about during the events of the OT.
     
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    I don't see this as a plot hole at all. There's PLENTY of time to tell the story of the Inquisitors. As @alex said, there seem to be very few of them, and we've already killed off one of them.
     
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    How many do we figure? At least twelve, given the mentions of the "Fifth brother" and the "Seventh sister", if those pertain to anything? So possibly eleven left?
     
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    I'd like to think that one of the Force Sensitive/ Jedi trained (or in-training) members of the Rebels crew killed them off. But who says they wouldn't have been around during the time of ANH? The comics are changing up a lot of things in regards to Canon - (mild spoilers!), including when and how Luke and Vader first met. More Inquisitors could be explored within the comics and killed off there. Or maybe they went rogue and went into hiding or were destroyed by the Sith like @John Crichton suggests. Did something major and potentially dark happen? Most likely. But not necessarily. At this stage, I'd just say enjoy speculating and keep an open mind! :)

    Genuinely curious - where did you get that number? Or the number 12 for that instance?
     
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    #RougeOne will fill in the gap! 99% sure!
     
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    He added 7 and 5 to get 12 and subtracted 1 from the dead leader to get 11. I'm not sure the grand inquisitor was numbered, but it makes some sense. I could go either way.

    We can do a little bit better. There is a math principle that says that if you randomly select an object, numbered N, your safest bet is to guess that the population has a size of 2N. This gives us 14 sisters and 10 brothers for an order with about 24 people. Mind you, this is a super crude approximation, but is the best we can do with only 1 sample point.

    Dave Filoni said something interesting in a recent interview. Is there a 7th brother? He doesn't know. If the numbering isn't separated by gender (by the way, shouldn't there be non-binary aliens in star wars? Not necessarily transgendered, but like a 3rd gender or asexual species? what would they get called?) then the best estimate may be 12. I'm too far removed from my math training, but I was thinking double the average of the 2 data points.
     
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    As @alex mentioned, I just put those two numbered "siblings" together. No one's sure of how many of each there are, and the best we can do is make educated guesses as to how many there can be.

    On that point, for the life of me I don't even know where the "Fifth" and "Seventh" designations came from -- they just seemed to appear from some publication I didn't catch and now those are their names on the Wookieepedia. :D
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    Well, we could always take him out of the count and that'd make it a nice baker's dozen. ;)

    Does kind of make me wonder if the Sith or Vader/Palpatine had any kind of "significant numbers" thing they followed.
     
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    hopefully we will see the last of the Inquisitors die in Rogue One
     
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    This was a couple of interesting tweets on this topic:



     
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    I just read an article that stated they are a group of seven, not twelve. I'll try to find it again. On that note, seven Inquisitors, seven Knights of Ren. Just let it in...
     
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    Gotcha, gotcha! Thank you both! I would have assumed that there would have been seven minimum (if SS she's the lowest rank) with fourteen (equal groups of both brothers and sisters) being a better guess, but who knows! :)

    Can you cite that source for me?
     
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    Hm, it would seem odd to do it in such a manner, because to say someone is the seventh sister would imply six other sisters exist (or existed) before her. Then again, if they're obsessed with the number 7, they could ignore gender in regards to the numbering. And apparently (from what I'm seeing now) 7 has quite a bit of significance to several real world religions, mythologies, and cultures.

    We still don't know if they're tied to the Knights of Ren though. Hopefully either TFA will explain that or (more likely) a novel or something shortly after.
     
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    Ok. It's an io9 article entitled Star Wars Rebels just sent shockwaves across the entire star wars galaxy, and it states that "the implication is that there are at least seven." And I guess that's speculation. Here is a screen shot of the paragraph: Screenshot_2015-10-29-20-11-36.png so it's not proven, just speculation.
     
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    I could see it trying to be explained away in R1.
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    Its these kind of questions I wish people would ask Dave and others when they get face time.

    Are there Six other Sisters or Seven Inquisitors total?

    Someone should post on that hottie patottie Andi Gutierrez's twitter to ask on Rebels recon.
    You know what? Good idea. I just tweeted her.
     
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    It seems evident to me that the Sith are not aware of all Jedi at all times; when Vader encounters Ahsoka, both he and the Emperor seem to have been genuinely unaware that she was still alive. So I don't think we should necessarily be surprised that Inquisitors never found Luke or Leia. As for hunting down Luke after he becomes known to Vader, I doubt that Vader would have left the task of hunting down and/or turning the man he suspects or knows is his son to an Inquisitor.

    I think it's plausible that the Inquisitors still exist during the OT. It's a big galaxy, and, in some ways, they're pretty peripheral to the story being told there. I think it's equally plausible that the end game for Rebels is the total destruction of the Inquisitors, possibly with the sacrifice of the entire crew, or its Force wielding members.
     
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    Thanks for all the responsese! I do wonder how many inquisitors there are total because there really is a difference from a plotpoint of view between 7 total, 12, 24 or some other number? I know everything doesn't have to be perfectly closed off when rebels ends but the more inquisitors there are it brings three questions to my mind. The first is it makes me question how many officials of the Empire were aware of their existence let alone their necessity? The amount of times imperial officials scoff at even the mere mentioning of the force makes me doubt many of them even know that the inquisitors exist, but this last episode seemed to contradict that? The jedi weren't always as scarce as they are currently in the rebels timeline and I imagine immediately after Oder 66 was enacted there was a great need for the Inquisitors to tie up lose ends for the Empire. Another question is what would the entire scope for the role of an inquisitor be? Are the inquisitors really just meant to hunt down lost jedi so when the empire assumes all the jedi have been vanquished there is no need for the Inquisitors any longer? Would this than require some type of liquidation of some type to take place? The more inquisitors there are the less likely it is that the ghost crew is able to kill them all unless a major event takes place on the show (which is possible). Does the empire really believe Obi Wan and Yoda are dead, if not wouldn't they be using the Inquisitors to try and hunt them down? Lastly (and this is just speculation) but it seems like the empire has been hunting down many force sensitive children so does this bolster the possibility that there are more Inquisitors than we realize or that many of them don't make the cut? Can you fail to become an inquisitor?
     
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    It's easy to explain. Hunt Luke was a task for Vader, it was personal.
     
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