SPECULATION Is Rey a Sith Lord All Along?

I've no doubt we'll get a dramatic twist; that's a given, I think, not only due to Empire, but also because of actors' comments about how this movie is "darker" and "tests people." That said, I wouldn't be able to believe Rey turning to the Dark Side until I saw it in the theater.

I have to hand it to you: the similarity is real. I don't believe the theory, but the similarity is definitely there.

 

She's the main hero. Not the villain.

Michael Arndt: Yeah, it was I think May 2012, and I was just sort of doing nothing. I was back in New York and trying to figure out what I was going to do next. I just finished working on The Hunger Games, and I was like, “Okay, like no more big Hollywood franchises. I’m going to go back and do my own original stuff.” And then [Kathleen Kennedy] called me up and the initial thing was she wanted me to write VII, VIII, and IX together, and I said, “There’s no way I can do that because it’s just too crazy and daunting.” And then the story that she pitched me was she just said it’s an origin story of a female Jedi. And I was like, “I’m in. I can’t say no to that. I have to do it.” I went to the ranch and I met with George and we spent a lot of time talking about samurai movies basically. I passed that test, you know? (December 22, 2015)

Pablo Hidalgo: "There's a making of book in the works I'd rather not scoop. But the core idea - a young girl's journey to become a Jedi - is [from George Lucas]." (March 12, 2016) "2012. And to think a movie trilogy with a female lead was just starting work." (March 17, 2016)" "[Pretty sure George Lucas doesn't consider Rey or Kylo Ren or anyone after he sold LF part of his universe either..?] You'd be surprised. The quest of a young woman to find her place in the Force is the story he left." (May 10, 2016)

You aren't born a Jedi or a Sith. They're religions, not races. And supposedly the Sith don't exist anymore (or at least that's how it was understood back in Episode I.)

If there's any reveal to happen, I'd sooner look at the addition of Kelly Marie Tran's character. Lucas's original treatment also included Talon, the female Sith Lord from the expanded universe.

 

could you add a extra option in the vote, i don't believe she is already a sith, nor suduced by snoke, but I'm starting to except there is a possibility she could end a sith.

 

No she is not a Sith. First of all there are no more Sith. It has been made clear that Snoke and Kylo are not Sith. I also say no she won't turn Dark. However, she will be tested and will struggle with not being consumed by he dark side. There has been a lot of concepts of having both light and dark in SW recently. Kylo is the first example. Now in Rebels we are going to have the Bentu creature who embodies both. I could see Rey ending up as the first person who can successfully balance the two and touch the dark side without becoming evil.

 

Your balancing concept may work. I've always found the "balance of the Force" idea as talked about in the prequels curious, because what the Jedi were looking for through Anakin wasn't "balance," per se. It was the triumph of the light side. Which is all well and good. But if there's no dark side, that isn't truly balance, is it?

Another thought: what if, through some scenario she goes through, Rey genuinely walks the line between light and dark at the very end of Ep. VIII, leaving us with a cliffhanger till Ep. IX to see which one she ultimately chooses?

 

That scenario is very interesting. I think it could work.

 

whilst that may be what we think, or even what we have been told...

Ki-Adi-Mundi: Impossible! The Sith are extinct! They have been for nearly a millenium.
Mace Windu: I agree. The Sith would not have returned without us sensing it.
Yoda: Hard to see, the dark side is. We must investigate further before drawing a conclusion to the idenity of your adversary.

just playing devils advocate here as i don't think for a split second that we've seen the end of the Sith.

also... would it not be fair to say that if Kylo/Ben aspires to finish what his grandfather started - becoming a Sith Lord would be in his plans?


i don't think Rey is, or will become a Sith Lord though

 

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GTFO this isn't is happening. They could have hired a brain dead 6 year old to write the script if they wanted to just repeat the PT. I would walk the hell out of the theater instantly.

Rian came up with something new and original I'm sure

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that. We have only seen one movie. Rian is a different kind of Sci-fi writer. I wouldn't jump the gun on saying they aren't doing anything new just yet. There is still A LOT of story to be told.

 

Kylo Ren knows what the Sith are. he knows his grandfather was one. he's known for years.

 

i'm not sure what kind of reply that is from Hidalgo... but it reads like a tongue-in-cheek answer to me.

this is my friday afternoon thinking (which is not good lol), but Vader had 2 agendas that were obvious to me... kill all the Jedi, and turn his son to the dark side.
the question is - does Kylo actually know much about his grandfather? what he says in TFA is very mis-leading.

kinda off topic.. apologies.

 

Really hoping for no more Siths. Dark force users, yeah, but not Siths. There are kind of hints in the books and other material of using dark and light without being jedi or sith. Like it seems most of Leia's uses of the Force have been darkside traditionally, but she didn't use them that way. Like the way that it was described how she killed Jabba in Bloodlines, or being able to see the past. Jedi do not encourage looking at the past, but she is not a Jedi. And Luke feeling that being told to kill Vader by Yoda and Obi-Wan being not the thing to do. It seems to be going away from tradition on both ends, and perhaps the balance isn't between groups, but within individuals. I am not saying that anyone shouldn't be more dark or light side inclined, but just using what they can when they need it. Even the Sith had a code of things they would not use, like Vader saying doing a mind trick was not the Sith way.

 

I concur, as long as there are people who want the power and the mystery that the dark side holds, as long as there are sith holocrons out there, and as long as there are history books to initiate the new learner into the existence of the Sith, they will never truly die. They will come back, perhaps not in this star wars series, but they will be back. It might make a good book by itself. So if anyone at Lucasfilm is listening, I'll write it for you.

 

What Anakin wanted was to rule the Galaxy and force peace. He said it explicitly.

 

don't forget that we don't know explicitly what Kylo Ren thinks Anakin/Vader wanted.

he's probably got the "official" New Republic propaganda on the matter, possibly Luke or Leia's opinion, and ultimately what Snoke's made of it.
there's also the possibility that he has his own Force-induced perception of what Vader had "started" that he intends to finish.

however much i think Rey will be tempted by the Dark side and that her roots are in it somehow, i don't see her falling--and particularly not as a Sith.

i agree with what @Boushhdisguise said: perhaps the Sith are dead and done with and we'll be seeing more Dark side users in general.
even Kylo Ren isn't aspiring to be Sith so far as we know, and he's the one who would likely have that desire if anybody did.

 

The Force in the GFFA is a lot like the concept of divinity in the real world: lots of cultures believe in it, but the specifics and even the name change are influenced by that culture's history. The Lasat follow Ashla, which is explicitly stated to be the Light Side, but the Lasat interact with it in a far different way than the Jedi do. The Nightsisters used the Dark Side, but they saw it as a tool that was anything but benign and had to be use sparingly, and thought that the Sith practice of giving oneself fully to the Dark Side was madness.

I could see the Knights of Ren being something like neo-pagans who attempt to resurrect old pre-Christian faith traditions (not intended in any way to knock anybody who practices pagan faith that attempts to reconstruct or resume a historical faith tradition): they are often relying on second-hand information at best, and the source's perspective probably isn't impartial, and those leading the faith may be putting a spin on the doctrine that suits their own purpose.