SPECULATION Is Rey a Sith Lord All Along?

I'm glad to see more people disagreeing with Rey being a Sith Lord. I think it would turn the franchise in a darker manner. Yeah, I know the EU and all, but that never hit the screen and I doubt Disney would do that.

 

I say tease it and leave it ambiguous by the end of VIII. I guess this kind of depends on the potential of Rey's parentage, but...

I'd have a situation where Luke, Snoke, Rey and Kylo all encounter one another. You have Kylo who has been wounded both physically an emotionally. The act of killing his father brought him no closer to truly being anything like Vader. In fact, he now feels the pull of the light even more. Faced with the reality of seeing his uncle since his turn to the dark, he has an internal breakdown of sorts. Snoke can sense this, and takes advantage of the situation when he realizes who Rey actually is. He attempts to dump Kylo off in favor of trying to entice Rey. He drops the bomb about who her parents are. In this case, I would have Luke be her father.

This creates a sense of betrayal and abandonment within Rey. She gets pissed and starts to show her darker side and leaves the scene with the (ignorant) knowledge that this Snoke guy might be a viable option because hey, at least he isn't lying to her.

Make Snoke a manipulator who's trying to compensate for the fact that he's a coward and a weakling. (Kind of like "Oz")

All the while Kylo is a mess. His struggle between dark and light coupled with the realization that his dad was right about Snoke using him causes an absolute meltdown. He turns to Luke for help and forgiveness. Luke, frustrated with the entire situation, reluctantly "takes him back in" for no reason other than the fact that he believes that one can always return from dark side no matter how terrible their actions may have been, Ala Darth Vader (even if he absolutely despises Kylo at this point).

So this isn't completely thought out and I'm sure there are holes in this idea, but I just like the sudden role reversal. It comes as a result of the story and not because it's the story. It doesn't involve Rey dressed in black with a scary red lightsaber standing at Snoke's side by the end of the film. Nor is Kylo Ben again. We don't know what would happen. Ambiguity is good. This is why I'm kind of a fan of that whole rumored ending of Rey returning to Jakkuu. Good characters have flaws. I'd like to see Rey go that direction.

 

I think we have to assume that "complete his training" can only refer to one thing?

 

Im not sure its possible to be the proverbial "grey Jedi".

In star wars I think the sides are set up as polar opposites for good reason.
Also the elements of a Sith that make them act as a dark sider are there lack of restraint, in regards to whats right and wrong and there own selfish motivation in the pursuit of power.

I think the dark side and these actions go hand him hand, so Rey as a lightsider would be compromised if they played her as "grey", I think that's fundamentally the difference in light and dark, application and use of the knowledge to advance yourself and your power.

 

I can agree and disagree with that Fallen Angel. You don't need the label "Grey Jedi," nor should it be a faction within the idea of the Good vs. Evil as far as Star Wars goes. However, that "grey" area is something like sandbox that could be played in to muddy the waters and add depth to the characters.

 

And what is that one thing? I'd really like to know. What does it take? Who gets to say "you've arrived ". Anakin was never a Jedi. HE WAS ON THE COUNCIL and wasn't "granted the title". In TESB yoda tells Luke, Confront Vader and complete your training. And then, in ROTJ, Luke says "I am a Jedi" and yoda laughs at him. It's like this carrot that anybody uses on anybody else and they never quite get there. Hell, is Luke a Jedi now? Do obi-wan and yoda show up at his academy and say, "this is a cute little school you have here, but you're not a Jedi yet".

WHAT DOES IT TAKE!?!?

 

Anakin was not granted the title master, yet he was on the council, I believe he was a "jedi"

 

This is fun to talk about, but LucasFilm isn't going to take their new hero and turn her to the Dark Side. Films work better with a clear concept of good/evil. Moving back and forth too much and you end up with the Matrix trilogy.

 

I actually agree, not to mention you would also be taking the series first female main character and turning her into a bad guy. I don't see that happening. To be honest, after watching the prequels, I'm not sure I want Anakin saved, redeemed as it were. He murdered a school full of near defenseless children, not to mention strangles his wife, probably the purest good character in the series. Anakin saves his son, which is a great thing, kills Palpatine and destroys the empire, but he did a lot of ruthless things. Not sure I need two main characters in a series who murder their parents (Kylo) and go off on some bonnie and Clyde adventure through the galaxy.

I can see Rey redeeming Kylo, though I'm not sure the audience will buy that. Going all villain, I don't care who her parents are, that's not happening.

 

I believe Yoda meant Luke was not a Jedi in terms of experience and mentality rather than rank.There was no Jedi Order at the time anyway, so the rank "Jedi" wasn't as important to Luke and Yoda as having the mindset of one.

Generally speaking,I think anyone in the Order with a rank of Padawan or up was considered a Jedi.Anyone with the rank of Knight and up was considered a fully-fledged Jedi.

 

I agree and I think they are going to keep the light and the dark very separate. However it is entertaining to speculate about what Lucasfilm could do different and I agree With @Darth Rimbaud that it would add some depth to the characters if they went in that direction. It appears that we are going to get many years of SW movies. I would think that at some point they are going to have to change some of the normal SW tropes to keep the saga from getting stale. In my opinion having a "grey" Jedi would be an interesting concept whether it is in this series or sometime down the line. In reality though, I suspect Lucasfilm is not ready to go down that path at this time.

 

No.