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SPECULATION Knights of the triangular table

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by AveCeasar, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. AveCeasar

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    First of all, I consider some of the contents of this post a spoiler of sorts (although most of what I'm writing is pure speculation), so consider yourself warned.
    We've all seen the pictures of Chrome stormtroopers with massive shoulder pads. There has also been talk of Gwendoline Christie's character leading those stormtroopers. To me, they resemble knights (take into account the famous picture of stormtroopers with swords and shields by our favourite artist :).

    What if Christie's character has a high sense of honour and duty and believes that what she's fighting for - the restoration of her empire - is a just cause? What if we are meant to sympathise with her? Perhaps J.J. Abrams will try to implement some grey area to Star Wars - making us reconsider our position on what's evil and what's not. Perhaps we'll see some bad decisions made by the former rebels and some bravery and good intentions on the side of the baddies. That's pure speculation and I know that Star Wars was always supposed to be black and white but George Lucas himself stated that the final trilogy will be about the ability to choose between what's good and what's evil.

    If my predictions are in any way accurate, we could see Gwendoline Christie leading a group of idealistic outcasts, rebelling against the current flawed system. That's just pure speculation but I believe that in order to make a villain interesting, we should put some backstory behind them -

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    The Prequels had some very un-subtle attempts to portray grey area in Star Wars - remember that wierd line from the opening crawl of Revenge of the Sith? "There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere." What heroes, General Grievance? The worst part was how they chose to portray "Count Dooku" in Attack of the Clones. You don't even see him until two-thirds of the way into the movie, and then you can't tell whether he's good or bad from what he says. Who's the villain of that movie? I get that its a trend recently to portray villains as maybe being good, and heroes as maybe being bad (because of the general distrust of most Americans against the US government?), but adventure movies just don't work when there isn't a clear distinction between who is good and who is evil, and Star Wars movies are deffi adventure movies.
     
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    I find that speculation to be very believable. In fact, it's not the first time I've seen speculation (or supposed "insider secrets") detailing just that -- that the distinction between good and bad won't be clear as it was in the OT. Very interested to see how that would play out.
     
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    If the Alliance and remnant Empire are joined I could see this scenario. You are always going to have people that believe that government is evil, perhaps a new form of rebellion will arise from the former Empire. There is always an opposition who want to see their ideals be ruling law.
    I think that these new chrometroopers will be the opposition to Luke's new form of Jedi order, Someone other than Sith or Jedi, like the Imperial Knights in the Legacy 2 comics.
     
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    Ah that's a good idea with the...
    Imperial Knights.
    Just changing their color to chrome rather than...
    red so we won't confuse them with Palpatine's royal guards.
    Gwen Christie is probably the lead one of these and Boyega, if he is indeed...
    Force sensative,
    probably falls into the lines of this organization.
     
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    Wow! Thanks! :)
     
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    To be fair, the Jedi were boring in the Prequels.

    Anyway I disagree that Luke should go into exile or whatever - he's the last Jedi knight in the Galactic Empire, and its his duty to train more Jedi knights, because they prevent Galactic Emperors from becoming all-powerful autocrats. Or something. Either way, the Emperor had to use Darth Vader to kill all the Jedi knights before he could completely take over the Galactic Empire, so its probably important to train more of them.
     
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    They were boring when sitting around in their sewing circle, when they were in action they were awesome.
     
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    I disagree. That's just two opinions.
     
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    Anakin Skywalker : I think Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith Lord.
    Mace Windu : A Sith Lord?
    Anakin Skywalker : Yes, the one we've been looking for.
    Mace Windu : How do you know this?
    Anakin Skywalker : He knows the ways of the Force. He's been trained to use the Dark Side.
    Mace Windu : Are you sure?
    Anakin Skywalker : Absolutely.
    Mace Windu : Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

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    All the Jedi scenes were like this!
     
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    I must admit, I could have written better dialog for the PT than George Lucas.
     
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    Wrong.

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    Just your opinion.
     
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    Well sure everything is about opinion, but that scene was boring too! No matter how good the choreography for the fight was, you don't care about those characters. There's no tension, you barely even know what they are fighting for. Who are they? Just wierdos in robes fighting in some wierd lit up room for no reason. And it was in the middle of this crazy sequence where four different things are going on with four different emotional tones - it makes it impossible to care!
     
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    Um... I think we're getting a little off-topic. We're talking about the imperial knights here, remember? :)
     
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    There have been other threads which mention "Imperial apologist" and the concept of differing factions of remnants, some of which might have goals in alignment with our heroes...

    What if, the end the destruction, Han and Leia believe that concession is the best course, which Luke finds as falling into the lure of evil....
     
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    Well, if they do follow any course that has one or multiple Imperial factions, I just hope the diplomatic portion of it is juicy and dynamic. I see the promos for Rebels and note each time they usually refer to it as the "Evil Empire", so it'd be somewhat interesting to see neutral/apologist factions.
     
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    Your Evil Empire comment got me to thinking. I wonder if they will use the fall of the Soviet Union as a model for the post Imperial galaxy. If they did, it would make sense that the struggling new governments of the disparate systems would by overrun with corruption, tribal mentalities, military skirmishes and terrorism. It’s the sort of environment that would be ripe for the ambiguous type of Knights you are talking about. Someone claiming to uphold the ideals of order and stability that are lacking in the Rebellion’s new governmental systems could garner support and sympathy among the impoverished populaces of the outer rim worlds. Rough to gain sympathy for the Imperial Remnants as savior and painting our heroes as the bad guys.
    This would be an interesting way to portray the gray areas of a new cold war between the New Republic and the Old Empire, while possibly resulting in members of both teaming up against the sith or whatever dark forces are pulling strings in the overarching plot.
     
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