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SPOILER Legends of the Lasat

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Feb 4, 2016.

  1. alex

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    This is one of my least favorite episodes. I think I only like S1E2 worse.

    the good:

    * I love Hondo. Dude is so scummy and plays everyone. Helps make it less coincidental that the ghost crew rescues some Lasat.

    * The imagery of the failed star cluster at the end.

    the bad:
    * the story. Some dumb thousand year old prophecy predicts a guy would hold his stick over a ship console.

    * the old Lasats. I thought they were over the top stupid. Zeb has become my least favorite of the ghost crew. He was orginally supposed to be a brawler, but I feel like all but Hera could out fight him.

    * The dues ex machina ending. Why did the magic stick take over and protect the ship? Will this come up again? Zeb seemed like he was struggling. Was he controlling the ship with his mind or was the stick putting it on autopilot.
     
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    I thought the episode was okay. Not good or bad. What was great is the possibility of the deeper story. Was the destruction of the Lasat people more than the empire being evil. The Nightsisters and Mother Talzin were wiped out because they were a variant of force users and posed a threat to the Emperor . Maybe that's why the Lasat were destroyed.
     
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    Good point......
     
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    Does this mean that Zeb is FS ?!
     
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    Before this came out i was in no way excited or interested in seeing this episode based on the plot synopsis.

    After seeing it i loved it.
    Just goes to show ...

    anyway i like when they add mystical and mysterious elements into a Star Wars story..

    Overall with TFA and Rebels i like how the Story Group is getting back to star wars roots and reclaiming more of the vibe that 'anyone' can use the Force if they just have faith. that's something Lucas seemed to have forgotten when he made the prequels and destroyed the mystery of the Force. Then again he didn't even WANT to do the prequels. He was browbeat into doing them by the Fans
     
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    Interesting points. I won't claim I'm correct, but here is my take.

    Everyone is somewhat force sensitive, it bounds the universe together through all living things. TPTB have said Han's piloting comes from a minor connection to the force.

    I've never thought that anyone could use it if they just had faith though. The force isn't like modern religions, as it is demonstrable. If someone is choking out people at a distance or deflecting laser with their hands....not really any faith is required for belief.

    I view it somewhat like a real life talent. You are born with some level of talent, but you can have training to greatly enhance it. Daffy, would you think any stormtrooper could be taught to use force lightning?

    @AstromechRecords At least somewhat. The scene wasn't super clear to me. When he used his magic divining rod on the holomap, I didn't get the impression that Zeb was doing anything. So when he used it on the ship...at first I thought the rod was doing all the work, but then you see the level of concentration on Zeb's face.
     
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    That sounds so strange .
     
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    Which bits, what are your two cents?
     
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    This was first mentioned in the Marvel comics right after the RotJ adaptation. Issue #81 'Jawas of Doom' if I'm not mistaken

    Yeah. Supposedly like how psychic powers work in our world. Supposedly everyone can develop their intuition, or scrying and meditation abilities, etc. Some have natural talents.. some are never taught and can just do it.. some just train very hard.. and most don't bother with it at all .. but its still there.

    I didnt say everyone can do the most obscure of force abilities.. but something like Luke deflecting the probe .. yes i do believe everyone in the star wars universe could at least get to that level if they tried very hard. .. or maybe even like Luke contacting Leia on Bespin..

    given what we know of the star wars universe i don't think that is beyond the realm of possibility.. its just that by the time of the OT force sensitives are so rare people think its a bunch of poppycock. Like in our own world. Long ago people believed in psychic abilities and magic and supposedly they were much more frequent.. but not many put faith in such things anymore so they live in a very mundane world

    I am not one of those people.. i have seen so much weird blast i believe all that stuff is possible
     
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    I'm talking about the Zeb part where he is pretty much using the force...I think that he MIGHT probably be force sensitive because introducing Nother "magic" is , frankly , bantha fodder .
     
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    Just to play Sith (Devil's) advocate here for a minute- Although they masked it in prophesy ... using the bowstaff and the ships navigational systems... he -COULD- have conceivably been using something akin to migratory birds using magnetic waves or bats using sonar or whales using echolocation or squid using colors to communicate.. or like how salmon return to where they were born to spawn

    it COULD just be some weird alien ability he used to find the ancestral home

    but ya.. he's force sensitive! xD
     
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    I liked the first half of the episode, but the second half was Rebels at it's absolute worst.

    They've long since established that Zeb was one of the few remaining members of his species - it gave his character texture, and made him stand out from other Star Wars species. In one episode they causally undid all of that. It cost Zeb nothing. It took almost no effort. It wasn't well explained. And the payoff happened off-screen.

    Having Zeb find out he was not as alone as he once believed, should have been a huge moment for him - and we didn't even get to see it, we just hear him briefly describe it afterward. This story should have been setup over several episodes, and not had the most important moment essentially thrown in as a footnote to an episode that was more about a cat and mouse game between the Imperials and the Rebels with Hondo as the centerpiece.

    This season has had a few episodes that felt like filler, but this episode was the first to make me question the entire direction of the show.
     
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    Super agree. It was somewhat mitigated by the visuals for me. Did you like the imagery of going through the space cloud (i forget what it was)?
     
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    It was a good looking episode, no question.
     
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    As a 40 year old man I have to say I don't have high expectations for animation at all. I find the show entertaining and my 5 year old absolutely loves it. If he's happy Dad's happy. Makes me feel like a kid again.
     
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    I don't know how to feel about this episode. Prophecy was kinda interesting, but the deus ex bo-rifle was dumb. Could it always do that? What the hell! Show wants me to but I can't take Zeb seriously, he is so annoying. "But why am I the child, I wanted to be the warrior!" STFU dammit! Episode at least looked good and had a nice score...
     
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    I wasn't really looking forward to this episode very much, however it was a pleasant surprise! Always great to see Hondo and he has become pretty much a Jack Sparrow in Rebels - without a ship or crew, switching sides every minute :D also.. he stayed imprisoned at the end of the episode, didn't he?
    The mysterious quest to find the prophesiced planet was very reminiscent of Battlestar Galactica and the journey through the space cluster was one of the most powerful scenes of the whole show - beautiful imagery and so great music!
    I think we can be pretty sure that it was the Force/Ashla guiding the ship and protecting it. It clearly acted on Zeb's request though, and I believe he was somehow channeling it through himself and the rod. Notice that Kanan and Ezra connect to Zeb to support him, that is a proof that it is really the Force doing the work there and they can feel it. So.. I guess Zeb is Force-sensitive, at least a bit, however that doesn't mean he can use it as Jedi can.
    The point the Story Group is trying to make in the new canon I belive is that the Force is not something exclusive or with strict rules, it is more mysterious, spiritual and has a will of it's own. The Force is in every living thing so everyone is at least a bit sensitive to it, although only those talented or hard-working can get to use it willingly. For example, basically anyone can feel the Dark side in presence of Vader or the Emperor, they just might think they are sick or frightened.
     
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    I didn't take it to mean Zeb is force sensitive, just that the Bo rifles are special and contain something along the lines of a crystal like Jedi lightsaber but for a different purpose.
     
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    "...Consider this system charted. Which means now that 'The Ghost' has been here, we can always come back."

    *wink*

    I suspect this safe getaway/escape route is the main, "big point" laid out by the writers in this episode- for definite "future use".

    IMO, any separate details in the storyline of this episode, (be they weak or engaging), are secondary.

    I figure the primary point is that a potential, reasonably "safe haven" for certain characters has now been established.

    Am I just thrashing and grasping for any possibilities that our Ahsoka can squeeze herself out of a well-foreseen, early demise?

    ...Yes, I certainly am. Sue me.
     
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    Agreed. And how about that violin music toward the end when Zeb is using his weapon to protect the ship. I really enjoyed that sequence.
     
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