SPECULATION Light saber path: when did Lando take back Bespin?

Lando found the blue saber and used it as a device to pose as a Jedi to attrack the Ladies back on Bespin.

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...and probably lost it during a Sarbacc game with Maz, like he did with the Falcon

 

If this turns out to be true, then Billy Dee will get stalked by angry kids again!

 

He probably went to get back Bespin after a few years of the battle of ENDOR since he would have stuck around to make sure the new republic was set up and left at the same time as Han did
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In the old EU, Anakin's lightsaber was used by Luke's clone in 'The Last Command' the third book in the Thrawn series. If I remember correctly the Empire retrieved the lightsaber along with Luke's dismembered hand, from which he was cloned.

I'm not sure if Lando had anything to do with Anakin's lightsaber. I am in the belief that Ben Solo had the lightsaber during his training with Luke. How Maz ended up with it is a story I wish the story group would tell. I'm under the impression that Luke returned to Cloud City and retrieved the lightsaber in order to give it to his apprentice for training.

 

Not sure I agree with Ceruleanlord. Maz's statement to Han left me with the impression that no one we know, including Luke, had seen it since the end of ESB.

 

I highly doubt Lando was responsible for finding the lightsaber

I also think it was recovered not too long after the battle on Cloud City by agents we have not seen yet

 

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I will just speculate but, if we RE-see an updated and longer version of Rey's vision...or if it is exposed....here how I see it went.
With hopes it'll sooth my trolling reputation around here lol

Luke managed to recuperate his father's lightsaber after ROTJ. He kept it to give to the next Skywalker.
Ben was born, Luke trained him and he inherited the saber "This saber is miiiiiiiine"...remember.

When Ben became Kylo the Knight of Ren, the night he massacred the Academy...I see three things:

He did it with Anakin's saber and when he was finished, he just threw it amongst the padawan cadavres to pass the message to Luke that he is the one that did it and then went to build a new one.

OR

He used his red saber to kill the Padawan learners and left the blue saber on the battlefield for similar reasons.

OR

He traded his Jedi saber for the Red one and Maz was part of the deal..... maybe Kylo's saber is some sort of a rare artefact that Maz had in her collection.

Anyway... I have the feeling that Maz knows more about Kylo's red saber that we might expect... and at some point that blue saber really was Ben's.

 

And I know I stick to what Kylo says to Rey at the end of TFA.... "That saber is mine"... could have a deep significance that... Kylo is still struggling between the dark and the light.

 

I agree that Kylo may have had the saber previously. I have speculated way back in the day when it looked like TFA was going to chronicle the path the lightsaber that Luke may have recovered the lightsaber at some point and passed it along to Kylo. I still think it is possible. As @MarsPhoenix has pointed out with Kylo claiming the saber is his can support that. Also when Han asks Maz about how she got the saber, it is done in an accusatory tone and I get the impression it is not because he knew it was Luke's but because he knew it was previously Ben's.

 

i'd never considered that the saber HAD been in Ben's posession at some point before TFA.

i think Kylo's actual line was..
"That lightsaber.. It belongs to me."

i'd have to watch it again (yeah i know.. any old excuse lol), but he does say it in a very deliberate way. The following bit where he tries to pull the saber to him and Rey snags it opens up a whole new line of topics for us to debate if it turns out that he had been given it by Luke during training.

would Kylo even know it's importance if he hadn't physically seen it before?
Han's reaction to it... would he really have remembered it from ANH days?


running with this...

• so Ben had the blue saber during training.
• Snoke turns Ben
• Ben destroys academy
• Ben loses blue saber during academy fight?
• Ben joins up with Snoke and becomes Kylo Ren
• Kylo Ren makes cross guard saber
• Maz somehow attains blue saber and decides an unlocked chest in the basement is the place for it to dwell
• Rey discovers saber in chest.
• @MarsPhoenix gets another bad post rating for no reason whatsoever.

all guesswork of course. bit of an eye opener if Ben had been in possession of Anakin's light saber, and yet it 'called' to Rey.

 

While I agree with you, Han used it in ESB. The only reason I agree with this are those call sheets or whatever they were that described a story about Maz taking the saber from the Jedi academy while it was attacked. It didn't appear in the forceback in the film the way it was said it would but it would make sense it was recovered and then given to Ben and then he either lost it or left it during the attack on the academy. Han's reaction does seem like he recognizes it a little more than just using it to cut open a taun taun though. Kylo's reaction seems to reflect more than just he knows "of" it. Kylo would have had have seen it before to know exactly what it was. If he had never seen it before you would think a reaction that would make sense would be something more like "where did you get a lightsaber?" or some crap like that. This might also explain why Luke's look changes when Rey gets the saber our of her bag. It's a reminder of what happened.

The description went like this for anyone who doesnt remember...

"In the scene, Han, Finn (John Boyega) and Rey (Daisy Ridley) visit Rose at her establishment and the four hold hands as Rose tells them her story. This triggers a flashback sequence which is detailed below. Scenes are presented in chronological order according to Making Star Wars:

• Dead bodies lay on the floor of a Jedi Academy. Luke shows up, sees what has happened, and departs.
• R2-D2 is sad because he is not accompanying his master on the trip.
• In the savannah environment from the opening sequence, the hand that took the lightsaber is revealed to be Naka’s.
• In the savannah location, a peasant drops the lightsaber, starts a fire, and panics.
• A local trader is seen leaving the desert and makes a sale to a wealthy man.
• At night in an undisclosed location, there is a “fierce battle” between two groups known as the Clan and the Seven. The Clan is using the lightsaber against their enemies.
• Once the last man is down, we see Kylo Ren (the cross guard lightsaber-wielding villain) approach Rey.
• Finally, the Seven are seen looting in search of an object, as Rose is shown in the foreground with the lightsaber.
• It then cuts back to the present day, where Rose presents the lightsaber to Rey and Finn. The former is revolted by its presence and flees the scene, while the latter is attracted to its power. Rose notes that she now knows why the lightsaber “came to her” (referring to Rey). Kylo Ren arrives with stormtroopers to attack the pub, and Rose defeats them using her abilities."

Obviously almost none of this made the movie but if it was real info from the pre production some of it may factor into the story later. JJ mentioned the Mcguffin of the story changed a few times and maybe this was when they were considering the saber as it but that doesn't mean the backstory of where the saber has been changed in what they developed for it.

What's even more interesting about it is, Rey calls it over Kylo. Does it hold some sort of allegiance to her in a way? Does this hint to her bloodline? We know that the force can linger in objects especially the darkside. Knowing that the saber was part of order 66 and the slaying of Luke's academy, should Rey get as far away from it as she can like she initially wanted to?

 

In regards to the old EU...
IIRC Lando did not return to free Cloud City. CC instead went through the a series of warlords hands and uprisings with little result. It was under Thrawn's control by the time of the The Last Command. EGVV stated that after the events of Dark Empire, "Bespin was a sleepy mining town that had seen it's better days."
Lando was often depicted in the EU as hopping from one prospective venture to the next. During Thrawn he was running another, far more dangerous mining op. Prior to that an amusement park. The new canon re-embraces this perspective with the pufferpig episode in Rebels.
Long story short: the EU authors did not view Lando as sentimental to the plight of CC.

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I was wondering if anyone else remembered that...

 

Right. I'm thinking he lost in in battle or some other circumstance and he really only just wants it at this point because it was used in the extermination of the Jedi by his role model and Grandfather. He just wants another piece on the shelf with the Mask he went and dug up.

 

Regarding Kylo wanting Anakin's light-saber, I think that line was a left over in the script from when the McGuffin of TFA was the light-saber.

I agree with those who think he wants it because it's a connection to (the Darth Vader side of) his grandfather and Kylo wants any of that which he can get.

Regarding how Maz Kanata came into possession of it that's a question I want to know the answer to and I'm sure there's an interesting story behind it, but I doubt Kylo had ever seen it personally before his duel with his little sis .... err ...., I mean his duel with Rey.

 

I'm trying to look at both perspectives on the lightsaber's journey.

Kylo's quote can be taken two ways. "That Lightsaber, It belongs to me".
1. That he is the owner of the lightsaber. or
2. The lightsaber should be rightfully placed in his possession.
How would Kylo know that very lightsaber used to be Anakin's? or does he believe every lightsaber belongs in his possession?

From the novel:


Maz Kanata does say she had the lightsaber for 'ages' and she had it 'locked away', making it sound like she had it a very long time. Not just the 6 years since 'Bloodline', assuming that's around the time Ben would have lost it.

Han's response, "Where'd you get that", seems that he recognizes the lightsaber as either Luke's or used by his son Ben.

It seems now that at the end of TFA Rey is giving it back to Luke and then, To be continued... Almost like the lightsaber is trying to find it's way back to it's master or to whom it wants to belong to, either Luke, it's master or, if Luke is still in possession of his green lightsaber, Luke gives it to Rey, it's new master.

Either way until the lighsaber's journey is told to us it will be up for speculation.

 

I see what you are saying but I don't think a "left over" line would be just left in the script. The line will have meaning for sure.

 

From the Novel:

Han recognizes it as Luke's lightsaber and not one used by his son, unless Han had not seen his son since he left to train with Luke, leaving Ben with feeling that his father abandoned him. Han may have not known that Ben owned the lightsaber.

If Luke had given the lightsaber to Ben, the lightsaber may have abandoned Ben, and become lost. The lightsaber then rejects him as it's master and choses Rey.

Ben would have been in the need of a lightsaber if it was lost and then was offered one from Snoke in his seduction to the dark side.