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Luke Doesn't Know Rey Is His Daughter (Yet)...

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by JediJurist, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. JediJurist

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    I posted this over at Star Wars Leaks but wanted to get your thoughts on it since I think this community is a bit more level-headed and thoughtful.

    We're thinking about this backwards. Luke didn't hide/leave Rey on a dangerous desert planet. Instead, Rey was hidden from Luke on a dangerous desert planet.

    First, Kylo, while mind probing Rey, states that Rey never had a father (i.e. never had a father she knew of). This is most likely correct because (a) Kylo is probing Rey's mind and (b) Kylo wants to show Rey he has the power to accurately read her mind against her will.

    Second, we also know Snoke has a history of taking family away from Luke (see, Ben Solo). It would fit Snoke's modus operandi if he likewise took Luke's pregnant wife (or baby Rey) away too.

    Third, I don't think we can assume absolutely that "Luke-would've-felt-Rey-via-the-force." Vader didn't know he had two kids until well after he met both of them. The PT Jedi didn't sense Palpy right under their noses. Anakin didn't know Padme was pregnant until she told him. Heck, Luke didn't know Leia was his sister until after smooching with her a few times. The force has limits in sensing unknown family members.

    Fourth, some might say it rhymes with the OT that Vader's son (Luke) has an unknown baby girl (Rey).

    Fifth, Rey being Luke's lost daughter would further explain why Lor San Tekka, Luke's explorer friend, was on Jakku. While looking for Luke, he uncovered that Luke had a daughter he didn't know about, he suspects it is Rey, and watches her from afar (similar to Ben Kenobi in the OT! Poetry. Although in this version LST is not quite so sure Rey is actual Luke's daughter so he stays nearby to explore further).

    Sixth, Snoke (and perhaps Kylo) seem to know that Rey ("the girl") is significant. They may be the only ones who know who Rey truly is.... (Plus possibly Unkar Plutt with whom Rey was given to when left on Jakku (sort of the anti-Kenobi guardian) and who clearly doesn't want Rey to have an astromech droid).

    Finally, I think we'll learn of their father-daughter relationship at the same time as Luke and Rey learn about it, either at the climax of Episode VIII or even into IX.

    The pieces fit together a lot better than Luke knowing about Rey and not going to get her.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 14, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 14, 2016 ---
    A related twist might be that Snoke kidnapped Luke's wife long ago when Luke was off on a mission. Unbeknownst to Luke and Snoke at the time she was captured, Luke's wife was pregnant. She later gives birth to Rey while in Snoke's captivity.

    Eventually, Luke's wife manages to escape with young Rey and flee. Being chased by the First Order with little hope of escape, Luke's wife is given no choice but to leave young Rey on Jakku ("I'll come back for you!") and divert the First Order's pursuit away from Rey.

    Presumably Luke's wife was thereafter either killed or captured again.

    Presumably captured and held by Snoke, maybe Snoke is holding her as a way to keep Luke in exile -- Snoke [to Luke]: "If you ever return to known space again, I will destroy your wife!" Luke sorrowfully complies having sensed that his wife is alive and that Snoke will make good on his threat (but Rey is not on Luke's "force sensing radar" since he has no idea that she even exists).

    Luke goes to exile searching for Jedi temples and clues to Snoke's whereabouts in the Unknown Regions.
     
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  2. Bandini

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    If Luke doesn't know and Rey either how will they figure it out ? DNA test ?
     
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  3. JediJurist

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    I'm sure you could think of a number of great ways!

    For example, we don't know for sure that Luke's wife is dead -- she could tell Luke when rescued in Episode IX!

    Perhaps Maz is the one who figures it out! There are a number of ways. Perhaps Snoke tells Luke during an epic confrontation.

    Or Lor San Tekka could have discovered the connection and sent a message to Luke. BTW -- I don't think we've heard the last from LST--the character was played by such a huge actor which suggests he might have more than the simple sacrificial role he played in TFA. I'd bet we see him again or learn more about him in future Episodes. Maybe even through a recovered message to Luke ala Leia's message to Old Ben in ANH.

    In the OT, Vader and the Emperor simply figured it out after dealing with Luke for awhile--no backstory was given in the movies.
     
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    Well, the new in-canon comics hash out a lot of this, and some of it is in the movies. The Jedi are totally aware that something is rotten on Coruscant and that a stronger dark side situation is clouding their ability to suss it out. In the movies, they even plan to inform the Senate of what's going on before events get away from them. That's hardly unconscious unawareness. Also, the new in-canon comics hash out a lot your remaining information. Vader is aware that Luke is his son very soon after ANH, and sends Boba Fett to flush him out, leading to a battle with Luke in Kenobi's old shack on Tattooine. Regarding him not being aware of Padme's pregnancy and his later unawareness of his daughter, I'd say at least during the pregnancy part that his attention is fixed elsewhere. It's commonly regarded that to acquire knowledge and understanding of things through the Force, that a Jedi has to be in a contemplative frame of mind and fairly free of turmoil in order to clearly hear what the Force might be saying. Obviously, Anakin always struggled with that and was in a period of remarkable upheaval when his children were gestating. Having overlooked their birth while dealing with a transition to the Dark Side and the fall of the Jedi, he wouldn't have been clued in to look for offspring once things quieted down. Even then, he knew he had a son and who he was fairly early in the Galactic Civil War.

    Regarding LST, the Poe Dameron comics revolve around him. Its clearly depicted that he's on a quest exclusively to locate Luke Skywalker and he's hitting all sorts of Force hot spots searching for clues. Leia sends Poe after him to check his progress, culminating in the opening scene of TFA. Previously, he'd been on a planet with an underground cult that were guarding a giant sacred egg, which didn't work out so well for those people and Poe gets there after LST has moved on, but just in time to run into the First Order, also looking for Lor. There's some neat background on the First Order and who they get working for them and the clashes of ideology that goes on behind the scenes. Without spoiling anything, you get some good background on how they came together, how the Resistance works in relation to them, and some details on their mindset in relation to the people they're forced to hire to get things done. Phasma especially gets a better fleshing out. All of that to say that LST is on a definite mission and not just following rumors to see what might turn up.

    Obviously, I'm not a fan of Rey and Skywalker being related for the same reason that Mt. Olympus is not in West Virginia. Once everyone is 1. Immortal, and 2. Related, you've got some lazy storytelling. I hated it when they brought Darth Maul back, but he turned into a really strong character. Making the the GFFA into a really tiny place by having everyone related to everyone else where nobody stays dead leads to bad stories. Honestly, if Rey is related to anyone, I'd guess that she and Kylo are some form of those first two Force users that they've referenced- the brother and sister with the tree, though they are now more of an Isaac and Ishmael situation- from the same metaphorical ancestry but two distinct results from one another. They'll be "related" to each other and to Luke and Vader, Kenobi and the Emperor, etc. as classical archetypes, though all existing in close proximity at that moment in history. That rhymes with the Hero with 1000 Faces that GL used as the basis for Star Wars as a whole and would make for a powerful story that's unique yet still feels familiar.
     
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    Midi-chlorian test :D.
     
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    I have actually thought of this. I think its a perfectly reasonable way to explain how she could be his daughter.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 19, 2016 ---
    The only thing I would say is this... You say that making every related to everyone else makes the universe small. As I agree that that is true, I think that there is an element of smallness that has to take place for a story to be cohesive. I don't think everyone should be related to one another but I think having a few relations or tie ins is nice and I think it more depends on the character. With Rey I'd say it's appropriate for her to be related to Luke or Obi-Wan or something. because she is our lead protagonist so we would want her to have some relevance to our older characters. characters like Poe and Finn can be completely separate and new because they are the secondary leads. Because Star Wars is a very generational story, it makes sense for there to be a new generation. I would argue that Making a character or two related to an older character isn't always lazy but can be. And I would also argue that it doesn't shrink the the universe. Because Episode I-IX aren't the only stories being told. You have stories like Lost Stars, Rogue one and Aftermath being told that are about completely new characters. Not to mention Rebels. We have to remember that the Saga films (I-IX) are the Skywalker Family Story. This means that the film will have an emphasis on Skywalkers. Does this mean Rey has to be a Skywalker? No. But it wouldn't hurt the story if she was. In fact it could potentially be worse if she wasn't a skywalker. I think discounting any story shrinks the possibilities within the galaxy. having a closed mind to things limits creativity.
     
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    Rey is not Luke's daughter. He is a Jedi....stronger than Vader? If Vader felt Luke is his son, then Luke would feel the same with Rey and greet her with some other look on her face than "what the hell you come here for?"
     
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    The novelisation says he recognises her and there is warmth in his face or something, and Luke not knowing who his daughter is can also be compared to Vader not knowing Leia was his daughter. If you're not looking for it, why would you find it?
     
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    Cuz you are the most powerfull Force wielding dude?

    Additional question....can you guys imagine Luke having sex....with anyone....I get more of a Space Jesus wibe out of him....and not in a Mary Magdalene kinda context :D
     
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    Not like passionate sex, but like "I'm gonna impregnate her to continue the bloodline sex" :D. Done out of duty, not love.
     
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    Yuck....no wonder Rey has daddy issues :p
     
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    Luke is not a God. Vader didn't realize Luke was his son until investigating him further. Luke himself didn't recognize Vader was his father until Vader told him. Vader didn't realize Leia was his daughter despite being in close contact with her. Luke didn't recognize Leia was his sister despite smooching with her and adventuring with her across the galaxy.

    Point being: It would not be a stretch for Luke to not realize that Rey is his daughter upon first meeting her.
     
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    When I saw Luke's first reaction to Rey's arrival, he didn't give the reaction of a surprised father plus he wouldn't have abandoned her.
     
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    Just looked at her and was like, "oh...cool, i GUESS.."
     
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    Rey Clone! She's Luke's daughter! From a certain point......
     
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