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SPECULATION LUKE IS HIDDEN BECAUSE HE SAW THE FUTURE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Red5Echo7, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. Red5Echo7

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    Here is a big mind blowing speculation: Luke learned from Yoda that the Force can make you "see the future, the past, friends long gone". And then he saw a very near future, Leia and Han suffering in a Cloud city, and go there to rescue them.

    What if, luke had saw a dark future, with the first order putting terror on a divided galaxy, maybe in a "cold war scenario", or post "fall of the roman empire " (or both), or whatever is the political situation 30 years after the battle of endor. In a command of a very very powerful ancient sith, from the old republic era, that some way, survived for 1000 years or more, (maybe his species? could be plagueis?). He doesn't necessary knows this details, but see someone F** powerful coming back. So he decided to pratice, meditate and train at maximum capacity his jedi arts, and then goes a little crazy. For not put fear in his friends hearts about the future, he decide to hide for a long period, let's say, 10 years? What luke don't know is, Andy Serkis character (Uber/Snoke), our sith dark lord, is the reason why palpatine learned the ways of the force 1000 years after the sith be suposed extinct. And maybe the sith is searching or waiting for him too? Why the sith remain hidden it's another part of the puzzle.

    The another part of my crazy speculation is about the name of the movie: What if non-trained Force sensitives SOMEHOW have their powers hide from trained force users, and then, awaken again?? Only wisdom force users (like serkis character or even luke) can notice this. Another reason for the hide, will be he waiting for this time. (remember the first teaser?) Maybe we've have no jedis in this movie but luke. I think it matchs with our trailers and leaks

    It's crazy, clouded, but, somehow makes sense in my mind.

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    In my mind, the only way a vision of the future would cause Luke to withdraw and go into hiding is if he saw what he thought was his own dark and evil future where he hurts the ones he loves. In his exile, he would then likely be haunted by his vision, going a little crazy, but remaining in seclusion away from his friends and family because he doesn't want to do what he has foreseen he will do to them. Along the lines of @Kyle's information, maybe he has a vision of the stand-off among himself, Han, and Kylo Ren, where he is begged by Han not to kill Kylo, but does it anyway. As Han Solo and the young heroes seek him out, his vision starts to regrettably become a reality and he is afraid to face that destiny. Only Luke makes some last minute choice against his vision that results in something even worse. Like Han's death and the creation of a new Vader in Kylo Ren. At the end, Luke realizes he still has a destiny he can control and decides not to hide from it any more... by passing on what he has learned and training Rey to ultimately confront Kylo Ren.

    Such a theory of something Luke sees in his future causing his exile may be plausible, but I am not sure whether I would prefer this to the massacred Jedi Academy reason that is rumored. EDIT: Maybe some combination of these two would work well...
     
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    I really like the sound of that!
     
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    It sounds a lot like some of the early speculation given to the status of Luke over on MSW back in 2014. I'm not knocking it; just saying I'very heard it before.
    Generally speaking, I like it. But I think we'll have to wait until 2017 until we know for sure.
     
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    This lines up well with other speculations postulating a post-Dune Muad'Dib like arc for Luke Skywalker, which is a type of development I wholeheartedly support. I really want to see a troubled Luke as I cannot think of anything more invigorating for the franchise, and appropriate for his character ('as father as son') than a struggling Luke. (Reversely, should we get a Super-Luke, I will probably have difficulties loving the movie).
     
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    maybe it's a mix of all of this things we thought
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 17, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 17, 2015 ---
    maybe a "Super-Luke" it's one of the reasons he's afraid to falling to the darkside, a struggling Luke matches with a fear of it's own power, Maybe all this elements will be mixed at Luke's visions of the Future? The First order, the ancient sith, fear of his powers, and so on.
     
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    I think this is a very interesting theory. I could see Luke being so afraid or wanting so badly to save the universe from his future self, that he just fades away into self-imprisonment. However, the only negative I can see from this story playing out is that Luke would/could end up going crazy and that I do not want to see.
     
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    Yes, a struggling Super-Luke would match well the struggling Muad'dib arc I suggested. As long as Luke can't draw Stardestroyers out of the sky, or whatever - be it because he doesn't have the powers to pull it off OR becuase he would destroy all for which his friends have fought and suffered should use any such powers - I'm good.
     
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    mark hamill is a great actor when is interpretating crazy people. Maybe this is a clue to this speculation
     
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    I agree 100% with this. Mark Hamill is never as good as when he plays crazy :) Actually, he should play a lot more bad guys, I feel, which he possibly would have had he not landed Luke Skywalker in '75 :)
     
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    He did play the Joker.
     
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    Yeah, and I remember being very impressed by his roll in Midnight Ride (although it is 20-some years since I saw that, and I have no idea if it was actually good). He was also cool in Hamilton.
     
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    Well it shows he had talent before Star Wars.
     
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    Luke knows Rey is the key. It's her soul that is in play in the ST, just like it was Luke's in play in the original. You have to be very cautious at a time like this.

    If Luke were to come out before the incidents in this film play out, they'd only sense where he was and that would only betray Rey's location. They can sense when he is near. That's always been Luke's weakness and they have weapons that can destroy him. They might even be desperately looking for him to kill him. Why would he endanger Rey and his friends like that?

    No, in time, she will seek him out. Then and only then can he prepare her for who she is and what she must do.

    Rey, like Dorothy, like Luke, like Charles Foster Kane hasn't really ever been anywhere until the adventure whisks them away. She's never even seen the jungle if the MSW treatment is to be believed.

    Luke's the mentor and the eventual steward of Rey's soul, she's the galaxy's best hope.

    We are once again bartering for the soul of someone with extraordinary gifts and those gifts come from a reluctance to use power without accepting or fully understanding the purpose of that power.

    She passes the test in Episode VII, now and only now can her training and purpose begin.

    What Rey's challenge will be in VIII is a wild card right now, but that's my hunch of Luke's motivation in VII.

    This all assumes that Rey is largely at the heart of the film and my hunch is she will be.

    I think Luke does sense the future, I think he senses that Rey is that future that her fate and the fate of the galaxy are desperately linked.

    Again this movie has one theme: Those who come before must pass the torch. Those who come after must carry that torch proudly.

    I mean if you read it, it is also literally about passing a torch around. :)

    All just spitball and hunch above, but I do believe all the pieces fit.
     
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    You ever see a low budget British movie called Britannia Hospital (1982)? Mark's hilarious in it as a crazy, drug-addled hedonistic journalist. Well worth a view if you don't know it (there I go again, pushing obscure UK movies, lol!)....
     
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    Goddamn awesome speculation, that sounds like something Luke would do.
     
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    Mark Hamill dubbed recently the Joker in the videogame Arkham Knight.
    He was awesome and his portray of the Joker was the best part of the game. (show stealer)
    Back to the topic, this is a good thread and a really good example why I visit this forum.

    I doubt that the they will use this kind of idea in TFA.
    This would be a good explanation why Luke is in exile and is sucked into the conflict again, because of circumstances.
    A well thought-out speculation @Red5Echo7.

    Crazy enough? (I think he could easy outdo the Ledger Joker)
    Hamill.jpg
     
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    Yes he played Joker well in Arkham Knight opposite Kevein Conroy a great game indeed, I'm reliving the ''is it the scars, you wanna how I got em'' Joker quote from the Dark Knight after seeing that image you uploaded, If Luke is in self-imposed exile coming out again for one more run against the darkside it would be a good idea to have him having a vision of the future were his decisions decide it, I wonder why MH likes knives, take a look at this one, crazy!!!
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    Haven't seen it, but now I'm gonna :) Thanks!
     
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    After seeing the film this idea is plausible. He may believe that the only way to stop the future from happening is not to be there. Future is hard to see and he shouldn't be afraid of it. I think once Rey shows up and hands him the saber that is when he realizes nothing can stop the future from happening. His grandmother once said that to his father.
     
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