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SPOILER Marvel's Star Wars Darth Vader #5

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Books & Comics + Legends' started by Kyle, May 13, 2015.

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    PLEASE READ: This review is going to cover spoilers not only related to the issue, but could very well be related to some huge ones as far as The Force Awakens goes. If you don't want to get into any of that, do NOT read this review. If you have been avoiding spoilers as far as the sequel trilogy goes, avoid this review. For those of you getting off the bus here, just know this is a great issue and you should read it if you have been following the series.

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    Welcome back! I'm going to skip the small details of this issue to get right into the meat and bones. I will be careful with my hyperbole, but this issue could be a big game changer for the SW canon and could be setting up a huge plot point for The Force Awakens.

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    We last saw Vader and Doctor Aphra heading toward the coordinates of Vader's replacements the Emperor was said to be grooming. The facility looks like it has been constructed on some sort of giant space slug. Darth Vader may be a cold customer, but he's quick to point out the "abomination" of technology and a living being (not detecting the irony). As usual, Vader and his trusty lightsaber have little trouble making their way into the facility.

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    It turns out his replacements are expecting him and are anxiously awaiting their opportunity to square off against the Dark Lord. They are neither Sith nor Jedi, they are cyborgs created by a cyborg, the recently departed fourth iteration of Cylo, and we meet his fifth iteration here.

    Cylo V reveals that not only has he constructed the two cyborgs Vader first engages, there is a plethora of technological creations designed to make the Force obsolete and technology the servant of the Emperor. The Emperor is always looking for an upgrade for his apprentices and technology appears to be the route he is exploring.

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    Vader decrees these cyborgs blasphemous and Cyclo V points out Vader should consider them his own "children". Just as Vader prepares to put a sudden end to number 5, the Emperor shows up and commands Vader to stop.

    Then, Palpatine asks Cyclo V for a demonstration. Every cyborg turns toward Vader and that's where we end.

    Yes, this issue is just as on par with great story and artwork as the other issues. Let's discuss the implications this may have later on in the Star Wars canon.

    The Emperor has been building a secret arsenal of cyborgs designed to outdo the Force! Let's play the assumption game. Let's assume that a piece of this arsenal survives Vader's assault or may be hiding in the wings already. If this cyborg in question survives post-ROTJ, I think we may have some insight into who Kylo Ren, or his master, may be.

    Hear me out. We have seen some concept art depicting a cyborg, hooded figure solemnly holding the remains of Darth Vader's mask. I know I am reaching here, but I think by the end of TFA it will be revealed that either Kylo Ren, or his master, is one of these cyborgs or related to them.

    It's pretty much assumed that the First Order, what is left of the Empire in the sequel trilogy, is piecemeal of a contingency the Empreror had put in place should he ever be overthrown or killed. It makes sense that he would also have a contingeny in case Vader were killed or the one to overthrow him. Perhaps one of these cyborgs is his best kept secret and is activated post-ROTJ. There is also a tiny rumor out there that Kylo Ren could be claiming to be Darth Vader. These cyborgs are shown to have free will, so perhaps the Kylo Ren or second villain is a result of this laboratory and regards itself as a natural replacement, hence the Vader imitation.

    I invite you all to speculate away. What I have put into my speculation is my OPINION alone. Simply saying, I'm not looking to start any heated arguments about what site said what and who is wrong. Take a look around at what we think we know about TFA and share what you think these cyborgs may or may not have to do with it. Keep it fun, let your imagination go crazy. All I ask is that you please be respectful and don't knit pick what others might theorize.

    And there is still another issue to go before the arc concludes, so keep in mind we might have answers that could negate everything I just said.

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    First Order was also mentioned in HTTJ. Am I alone in thinking our buddy Cylo bears a resemblance to a certain Andy Serkis??? Crazy, right?
     
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    Starting to see it as well
     
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    I'm gathering that Cylo's replacements for Vader are cyborgs, or at least are enhanced with some cybernetics. Cylo himself sounds more like a clone, what with multiple bodies. I'm hoping they elaborate on this.
     
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    The more I look at the costumes of the two cyborgs we first meet the more I notice the similarities between Kylo Ren's garb and theirs. Specifically the belts and the way the hoods are threaded into their capes. There has got to be a connection
     
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    I'm going to read it right now. I like reading these reviews before I make my own discoveries, makes me a bit more focused on the details @Kyle. Will be back with my own observations :D Another great review as always!
     
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    Cylo = Kylo (?)
     
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    Kylo is the 10th iteration or something? Empowered with force relics due to Vader possibly defeating the 5th one in the next issue?
     
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    Or Kylo is Cylo's ultimate creation
     
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    I've finished reading the issue, and I get the feeling that Vader will lose the duel, but just barely, and in a slightly shocking manner. I believe the plans made by Palpatine...
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    Will be abandoned. He finds the Force still much more powerful, especially as it looks to be Vader vs the whole cyborg group. The abandoned group will make a power grab and rule in TFA. This isn't even my favorite speculation, but I am beginning to see Vader being in some ways more important to TFA than the rest of the series'.
     
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    I see Palps abandoning them as well. But not because Vader loses, rather I see Vader wrecking shop on them all, and Palps regaining his confidence in his apprentice.
     
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    We'll see :p, I recall seeing on Wookiepedia that Vader is caught by Palpatine and his machinations are understood as the promo for #6, but yeah, we won't know for a while.
     
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    I like where this is going! Thanks you guys. I think both theories are headed in the right direction. Take that, mystery box!
     
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    maybe this is the look of Cylo in TFA? He looks very similar and the time between the comic and TFA could justify is more aged aspect and maybe is Max Von Sydow:) a bit spoiler ;)
     

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    This issue was awesome. The whole idea of trying to create cyborgs to replace the force is exciting. I didn't notice until I read @Kyle 's review, but the secret base itself is some sort of cyborg.
    Another intriguing thing in this issue is how Cylo has achieved some sort of immortality. This could also be a theme we see explored in TFA.
    I can't wait till the next issue to see the fight... whoever wins.
     
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    I have to admit I was disappointed with this issue...why you ask? The last page came too quickly! I was eating up this new idea of technologically enhanced individuals and curious as to how they would hold up against a force entranced Vader...unfortunately we'll have to wait till next time. What was great about this issue is we are finally breaking away from the OT fan service with some new and fresh ideas. I immediately speculated a TFA connection as well, and I also mentioned on a previous thread when CYLO IV was introduced that I thought Kylo Ren was connected to the character in some way. This issue strengthened my speculation. It's interesting that Kylo Ren does not go by Darth something. Some have speculated an Inquisitor like role...I'm leaning towards that idea merged with this one...that he is an agent of the First Order (ala an Imperial Inquisitor) that has been enhanced through medical science. His lack of connection to the force in an era where the Jedi are more than likely still very few is irrelevant. I predict that a Sith Lord (ala Plagueis) is still pulling the strings though. As cool as the idea of cyborgs is...I think force sensitive beings will still prove superior in the end.

    Oh, and the organic space station was cool...I don't think i've ever seen anything like it before in Star Wars.
     
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    Far out! Where did they mention the First Order? I listened to the audiobook before we knew about the First Order, so I'm sure it flew over my head!

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    It actually is not mentioned...The term "New Order" is used to describe the empire or a portion of it regarding the Imperial Security Bureau. There could be a connection, but I think it's just referring to the Empire. Yeah it' s been in power for 20 years, but the Republic was in power for thousands so the Empire could still be referred to as the "New Order". Regardless, "First Order" is never mentioned in HTTJ.
     
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    Ahhhh gotchya! Yeah "New Order" is pretty much synonymous with the Empire (and an awesome 80s synth-rock band from Manchester :p)
     
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    Thanks. I went back and checked and you're right. My mistake.
     
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