SPECULATION My theory and a way to incorporate some EU influence.

Oscar Isaac is too young to be a grown up Ezra. Ezra is the same age as Luke Skywalker. Andy Serkis could be the proper age.

 

Nice work, wormholio! (great handle too lol)

Recently learned of The Ones in another thread where we speculated whether The Force would appear as a physical entity with a voice in the ST.

Learning more about them... For me, Abeloth steals the show. The most badass character in that story arc.

So I'm hoping to see her, or a Lady Vader character, or Ventress... We need an evil queen villain. This is Disney. The ST should have a female hero and a woman villain, if only to mirror things with a twist.

As for Leia... What if she is in carbonite, and someone (Abeloth bringer of Chaos/shapeshifter/Angelina Jolie type) is impersonating her, making Driver do her bidding, while making the New Republic as villainous as The Empire ever was.



Sets up a brother vs sister conflict with Han and Driver caught in the middle, torn between what to believe.

 

I don't want the EU anywhere near the movies, sorry.

 

Which part are you referring to?

 

The book he mentioned. Although it appears it was referenced in The Clone Wars, many people have not or don't want to see the clone wars; particularly when they have any connection to the prequels. For a lot of fans, it's just the movies that matter. To be honest I even resent the fact that the tv shows have any influence on what goes on in the films.

 

there are some interesting thoughts here. Some of them make sense and would be very intriguing. It might be dangerous to rely so heavily on a backstory most of the watchers of the film are not familiar with.

A couple of points.

1. I might in the minority, and I might be wrong, but I don't believe Kira is Hans kid. If you remember Fisher's daughter was also cast and I think the "daughter" of han and Leia is her. Perhaps her role gets larger in the next film with Driver "falling" similar to Jacen. The reason is simpler than you may think. Many fantasy stories are built on the "farmer" type character who is young and thrust into an adventure. Both the OT and PT focus on this theme through the characters of Anakin and Luke. it is a common thread in almost all fantasy stories and despite its being in space Star Wars is a fantasy story.

Someone pointed out, Oscar Isaac is too young to be Ezra, however, we have a character in the film old enough to be the Jedi, whose name slips me. I think a lot of people are reading the grave robber wrong. In the images this is a guy in a tavern or cantina. What is a Grave Robber? A grave robber is a guy who takes relics from ancient sites, normally graves, and sells them for cash. They are a neutral character normally. The buyer of the goods, now that character would be evil, but the grave robber himself is not. Also, because of what he does he knows a lot about ancient relics. It is likely that whatever Kira finds in the desert they send her to the Grave Robber to identify. The grave robber sends her to Han as one of the only people with a chance at finding luke. This fits the motif normally seen in this kind of story. The grave Robber then might make a call to his boss the evil one and tell him its been found and the chase is on.

 

People should stop crying about the EU. The EU is in my mind a Fan-Canon. I want to see NEW stuff often EU stuff isnt the best, you just think it is because after ep 4-6 every SW movie was...well not so good.
Take it easy and accept the new AWESOME canon.

 

Fan-Canon? have you read a book from the EU?

 

Only 2. :-D All the books are still in existence, you can read them and enjoy them. There are just not a part of the official canon.

 

which ones?

 

Star Wars: The New Jedi Order 12 and 13.
I loooved both of them. :-D Yuuzhan Vong are just great!

 

you loved them but call them Fan-Canon? those are much better than what little Fan-Fiction i've read.
and those books are the ones that most people don't like. read the Trawn trilogy or Shadows of the empire then say that it's fan canon. it's Legends, i think of it as an alternate universe much like the Marvel or DC multiverses.

 

No. I call it Fan-Canon because of the fact that they are not officially canon, but Fans love them so Fan-Canon that could co exist with the "real" canon. I dont mean that it was made by fans. :-D You nailed it: Alternate Universe

 

Oh, to Hell with Canon .... how did this level of anal retention creep into something as light and fun as Star Wars? It's space fantasy soap opera, not the many iterations of The Bible. If it's fun, that's all that matters. I can't care less if Luke Skywalker's lightsabre should be purple in Shades of Blimblip because it was possessed by the dog-spirit of Oojar The Grimacer in the Blazeblood Bespin Part Ten computer game published 28 years earlier.

... well, you get my drift, haha

 

Don't worry, they don't, and they never will.

Think of the movies as being my refrigerator, and the EU as being me letting someone use my kitchen to make a sandwich from the contents of my fridge every now and again.
These people never get to stock my fridge. Only I do that. And they have to bring their own bread. And their own plates and cutlery.
So don't ever look at the sandwich and think it is representative of the contents of my fridge. It is not. It is a sandwich that has the privilege of having access to my fridge for some of its ingredients.
So the canon says the refrigerator contains cheese, person A's sandwich contains cheese, and so does person B's over there - fair enough, they can be said to fairly represent the fridge in that way. Not like person C's though - he bought his sandwich from Tesco. The bread is the same as person A's bread, but it's not canon, because it's an egg sandwich, and there's no eggs in the fridge.
On very very rare occasions. I actually let someone take an item from my shopping bag, and use it in their sandwich, before I've even put it in my fridge. Because I'm that kind. And I've got a fridge to promote. A sandwich featuring one of my plum tomatoes is a good way to do that - they'll think it's great when they finally get to see my plum tomatoes actually in the fridge. And they'll think that the universe of the fridge is all planned out and that there is some kind of continuity going on here. Win-win.

... The cheese is starting to go off a bit. Hmm, I might throw it out tomorrow...

That is the relationship between the EU canon and the movies. Period.

 

This is exactly it for me. Star Wars for me is the movies. I enjoy the movies and there hasn't been a single show or book that has successfully captured my enjoyment from the films. Let people have their alternate universe etc, I just want the films to not be held hostage by them.

 

Keep in mind that part of the reason Lucas film sold for what it did was the revenue generated by the EU, the Video Games, etc... Those books sell and generate money which goes into Disney's pocket. Now the reason they did a way with the EU was because no filmmaker picking up episode VII wanted to also have to drag along all the novels, some of which might not be that good, in crafting their story. You have to give the filmmakers freedom to make their own story. It was not because the EU was "crap" there is some good material there and some great villains.

It is one of the attractive thing about Star Wars as a franchise. That I not only get Han, Luke, Leia and the others. I get thousands upon thousands of years worth of stories also developed and told to expand that world. That's a lot of freedom to make movies in the future. That "world" they inherited was created not just by the feature films, but by the books you so casually disregard.

If you think for a minute that a movie about Darth Revan would not generate a couple hundred million dollars, then you are a fool.

 

oh okay. I misunderstood then!

 

We don't need to be aware of any material beyond the six films in order to generate new stories - the movies are the Star Wars Saga unto themselves and the only manifestation of SW known to the general public who will never read comics or novels or play computer games based on the property. Therefore, the EU has been broken down into assets to be cherry-picked or disregarded by film-makers. Some new creators will have a fondness for the spin-off materials while others will only wish to create brand-new, to truly stamp their mark on the property. EU will be useful and inspirational for some, but never a dictator, or indispensable. It's a mighty building that has now been dismantled, to be picked through and salvaged, or built into new configurations - or built completely atop by new structures.