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SPECULATION Weird Conspiracy Theory: Did Disney Discourage Old Planets in the ST?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by cawatrooper, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. cawatrooper

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    I read an interesting theory on Facebook yesterday, and I can't help but find it pretty interesting.

    Basically, it boils down to this: Did Disney actively discourage revisiting planets already established, and instead encourage new ones?

    Now, hear me out. I get that having new planets is good and healthy for the franchise. Space is big, and the stories need to take advantage of that.

    But this, I think, extends to a lot more than just a notable absence of established planets, but an outright rejection of them, sometimes bending over backward to get there.

    - Perhaps the obvious is the abundance of desert planets (notably Passana and Jakku) in place of Tatooine. However, this one bothers me less because desert is a pretty common biome in space, and I see it as more of an homage to Tatooine anyway. In fact, I kinda like that Rey wasn't just living on Tatooine. Plus, we get it in the end, anyway.

    - Again, I don't mind that we got D'Qar and Ajan Kloss instead of Yavin IV, but there's also some clearly intended similarity there

    - But then there's the Hosnian system. The backstory is that the New Republic switches seats of power, and I guess that works as an explanation. But considered alongside the other weird things, it does stand out that Coruscant got skipped.

    - And then Kef Bir. Why did the Death Star crash onto a different moon of Endor than the one it was in low orbit above? That's weird, right?

    - And Mustafar. Technically in the film, but without the Visual Dictionary you wouldn't know it. It's never mentioned by name, and even with its red skies it's noticeably different looking that fans would remember it.

    - Exegol could've been Korriban/Morabrand, though the bit with the wayfinder wouldn't quite gel with that

    -Finally, Coruscant was apparently a big part of Trevorrow's script, which we now know was entirely changed. Huh.

    And I'm sure there are even more examples. I don't intend for this to be anti-sequel trilogy/Disney, as I enjoyed the films well enough, but this is kinda weird, right?

    Not usually one for conspiracy theories, and maybe all of these are easily enough explained away, but it is weird how it seems like the films actively tried to steer away from portraying old planets. And don't even get me started on how alien species from the old movies also get pretty badly sidelines.
     
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    I'm not sure that's a "conspiracy theory" to want new planets. For the record, we did see Mos Eisley/Tatooine in Mando. So that's not true. Disney can't seem to win. If they brought back everything old, they would've been labeled as "lazy".
     
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    I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. I think it's about them trying to make the world bigger while also trying to give people familiar things. So instead of making everything feel different all at once, they dipped their toe in with planets and a few aliens. And we're seeing how well it's working out for some fans.
     
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    True- I should specify that I mean this specifically about the Sequel Trilogy.

    If anything other Star Wars media seems to focus pretty heavily on the nostalgia. Mando on Mos Eisley, familiar planets in Jedi Fallen Order, several established planets in the spinoff films...

    I guess, in a way, the fact that it seems so prevalent everywhere but the Sequel Trilogy makes it kinda stranger, even.
     
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    I have a few thoughts...

    Kef Bir sticks out the most to me. Why have the wreckage of the DS2 land on a different moon of Endor? That does seem like intentional avoidance of known planets. Looking at this picture from ROTJ, the forest moon of Endor isn't ALL forest. It looks to have large bodies of water and possibly oceans. If they wanted the wreckage in an ocean, no reason it couldn't have been on the forest moon.
    Endor_Ocean.jpg

    Hosnian system instead of Coruscant. I think this one may be that they wanted to potentially use Coruscant in the future but still have the seat of government destroyed in a spectacular way. Had to switch it IF that's the reason. If not, then it also looks like intentional avoidance.

    Mustafar. I didn't even know that was supposed to be Mustafar until reading about it here after seeing the movie. After seeing TROS a second time my thoughts were, "Ok, if I squint and tilt my head, I guess it's Mustafar..." and "Why didn't they make it look like it did before or show Vader's castle?". I think naming Mustafar in the opening crawl would have been useful. Something like this:

    "Supreme Leader KYLO REN scours the ruins of CASTLE VADER on Mustafar in search of a clue to the location of the phantom Emperor..."



    Yavin IV. I can see not using Yavin IV because that might be a place the FO would logically look for them.

    Why would making Exegol Korriban/Morabrand problematic with the wayfinder? I'm not up on my EU, is it something in the EU?
     
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    I think most of them have real reasons.

    Hosnian Prime rather than Coruscant. Dont think fandom would have taken to Coruscant being obliterated. So invent a new system to destroy it.
    Kef Bir. Two reasons. Want huge body of water that has tides and waves. Even that screen shot of Endor moon from ROTJ the body of water looked to small to have huge tides. Also and probably bigger reasons. You go back to same moon and then people wonder why Ewoks dont have a much bigger part then the little cameo.

    My biggest issues arent that they had new planets and what I hope changes in future series and movies. I want population centers not just little towns. Was my biggest issue with ST and biggest issue with Mandalorian.

    I want to see Alderaan in Cassian series. I dont expect much from Obi-Wan other then taking Mandalorian sets and changing the colors of the building to beige.
     
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    Simply because so much of the movie centers around the fact that Exegol can apparently be found only be the Wayfinder, and that hasn't been an issue before with Morabrand. They needed a planet that was otherwise impossible to find, so those wouldn't have worked.

    Yeah, mostly good points, everyone else.

    And I agree- these could be done for good reasons.

    Yet, it just seems so odd how many situations there are like this.



    I've seen before the argument that the prequels didn't visit OT planets, either. Well, that's not entirely true, first of all- Tatooine was visited, and quite a bit.


    Otherwise, there's Alderaan (briefly seen in III), Yavin IV (would be weird if it was already well known by the Republic), Hoth (why would anyone go there?), Dagobah (again, briefly seen), and Endor (again, no real reason to go there).

    The only one that might've remotely made sense is Bespin, and even that hardly seems necessary.

    But with the sequels, it would've made sense to visit a lot of the prequel planets or places from other media, but it almost entirely doesn't happen. So I dunno, it just seems a bit strange.
     
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    For me, the missing part of the theory is motive. If Disney did discourage classic planets... WHY!?

    If someone has an answer to that, I’m happy to consider it, but it’s not like it would cost Disney extra to include classic planets.
     
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    What’s more weird, if this were true, is that while new planets does make the galaxy seem bigger - making a bunch of the characters related anyway seems incongruous with the argument :confused:

    Acknowledging that we’re speculating, this does completely make sense.

    I take your points, but more than this, given the comments on TFA and how it was ANH re-run, I’d guess that JJ didn’t want the same argument levelled against the last film if he went back to Ewok-Ville for the final part of the trilogy.
     
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    It's the nature of conspiracy theories to ascribe (sinister) motives and intent to a seeming pattern in what may actually be just random events. I don't think that's the case here. Indeed, the "why" doesn't compute.

    Now, as has been discussed, the ST wasn't very thoroughly planned out from the beginning, so in essence, you have one filmmaker each time coming up with something they feel would be interesting and visually striking while striking a balance between homage (get the fans excited) and new things, so as not to get accused of laziness AND I suspect that if you're the SW fan who actually gets to make a SW movie, you want to leave your mark on the saga. Now your desert planet may not be all THAT different from Tatooine - although I would argue that Jakku for instance is very different - but it's your desert planet. Can't underestimate that factor I think.
     
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    That is my problem with so many of the Disney Conspiracy theories going on right about now.

    What is the motive to not use old planets?
    What is the motive to film a Happily Ever After and then not use it?
    What is the motive to throw away JJ Abrams cut of the movie and use someone elses?
    What is the motive to cut the dialogue out of the ending sequence with Rey and Ben?

    There are perfectly valid motives for some of these if they are indeed true, but none of them are to make the film worse or to spite a particular group in fandom.
     
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    Interesting theory, maybe a desire to keep from re-hashing the past and making the universe feel small. Visiting new planets could have been an opportunity to show us new and different environments. While I didn't dislike the planets in the ST they did lack a certain imagination. Basically we only got environments that seemingly are not too alien from Earth(the OT) with little very new or imaginative. For the OT I understand why that was a production limitation and Lucas took the opportunity to expand those greatly in the PT but the ST seems to kinda lack never before seen planetary environments.
     
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    I'd love to get a tell all book from J.J. to see what input he had and didn't have. Not something mean or anything just a reasoning behind certain things.
     
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    I don't think we'd ever get it. Nothing to gain from either party in it tbh.
     
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    Just to be clear, I wouldn't necessarily say this is anything "sinister". If this was true, there might be a strategic reason that Disney chose to do it.
     
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    Disney does not tell Lucasfilm or Kathleen Kennedy what to do.

    Kathleen Kennedy does have to report to Bob Iger because he is the CEO of Disney and serves as Lucasfilm's distributor, but Lucasfilm is otherwise a completely autonomous studio run entirely by Kennedy, who makes all of the decisions required to operate the company and oversee the projects it develops.
     
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    Except that Iger already confirmed that he was responsible for keeping Solo in May instead of moving to summer or even December.
     
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    Which... doesn't contradict what @DigificWriter said. Disney handles distribution, Lucasfilm is responsible for production. - two entirely different things.
    Production is where creative decisions are made. Distribution is how, when and through what channels the film is going to be sold.
     
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    Because that's part of his job.

    Lucasfilm relies on Disney as its distributor; therefore, it is Disney - and Iger - who gets to decide when Lucasiflm movies get released.

    Not moving Solo's release date is not something that Kathleen Kennedy would have had any direct power to influence, although she could certainly offer up her own opinions on the matter.

    Iger deciding not to move Solo's release date isn't "Disney telling Lucasfilm what to do"; it's Disney making a decision that lies solely in their purview even if Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy had other opinions.

    In all decisions that pertain to the production of Star Wars films and the expansion of the Star Wars universe and that would fall directly under Lucasfilm's purview, Kathleen Kennedy has the final word.
     
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    That's fair.

    I guess I was just using "Disney" as shorthand for TPTB.
     
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