No Hux...

Well from what I've read in the books and and he's meant to be this cruel manipulator beaten by his farther and thrust is a position of seniority at a young age. Of course the back story has made no impact on the films, in fact Donald Geason has even admitted he wasn't aware of it. in the films it just seems to be JJ wanted a military leader sort as A new hope had TarkIn and he seemed to be trying to tick all the boxes, then Johnson came and thought it would be fun to turn him into comedic relief to the level that their isn't really a return from.

 

Can you expound on this? Why do they say in the EU that the FO hated Palpatine? I'm just not familiar with this material

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I think TLJ goes through great pains to kill Snoke dead, as a way for Ben to commit to his darkness and fully become Kylo the Supreme leader. Doesn't it cheapen that if we're ok with Snoke coming back?

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FTR: I've always liked the Sidious character, Ian McDiarmid has always been masterful in the role. And I have been on the record as saying that JJ needed to make a movie that the "fans" would like, and this is a step in that direction (depending on how they do it) since it's a call back character. But I also believe we have to honor the metadata generated in previous movies. Sidious has been dead and an afterthought for at least 2 movies, which made sense because the legacy characters were passing on (on both sides) giving rise to new stories and new characters.

I just see potential problems with the story telling "cheating death" to invoke a beloved but dead legacy character. But this is all presumption on my part, until its confirmed that Sidious is actually back physically

 

Like someone previously said. Palps could return in hologram form. Or in a flashback. Or (this will be great IMHO) as a sentinel droid from the new EU.

Palpatine won't be "replacing" Hux i think.

 

Palpatine is not returning as a hologram or some vision, but as the "greatest evil" he has always been.

As far as Hux is concerned, though, his absence from the teaser means nothing.

 

you're welcome

 

Ill just call him Steve.

 

I think Hux could secretly be working with the Emperor, or at least executing the Emperor's plan.

 

I like that idea. This brings me back to Empire's End- Palpatine visited Arkanis on a regular basis, he stayed in Area Null (a tower within Arkanis Academy, restriced to most Imperial officers and cadets)... maybe they're now using some old but unused plot twist from the OT:

Wookieepedia:

"Jerjerrod serves as a minor antagonist with relatively little screen time or dialogue in the finished film,Though in earlier drafts his role was substantially larger, owing to the fact that he functioned as the Emperor's "secret agent," operating behind Vader's back to further the Emperor's plans. In these versions of the script, Vader kills Jerjerrod for his subterfuge."

 

Personally I want Hux killed offscreen. It would be the first thing Kylo would do IMHO.

As for Palpatine...

What if we find out Snoke was the living vessel for Palpatine to return in? I mean think about it. Snoke looks like a reanimated corpse, uses the sames phrases as Palpatine (fullfill your destiny, complete your training, young apprentice, etc), has all the same imagery (throne room, projection), commands an army almost identical to the Empire, built a Super Weapon based off Death Star tech, seduced another Skywalker to be his apprentice, acted like he knew Vader ("alas you're no Vader"), etc etc etc. They could have swapped Snoke and Palps and nobody would have known the difference. One of the biggest knocks on Snokes character was that he was Palpatine 2.0 and there was no explanation for how he rose to power. Not even the books or comics speak of Snoke. It has to be by design.

I'm putting my money on Snoke = Palpatine. Somehow Palpatine gets his body back and returns to face Rey, Ren, and a resurrected LUKE! One can dream right?

 

I hope Kylo kills him in the first 5 minutes of the movie.

 

When TROS has been released in December, I'm really hoping for a deluge of books explaining what has gone on between the OT and ST, particularly the occasion where Snoke turned Ben Solo (as mentioned by Leia in TFA). What has Snoke to do with Palpatine? What was it between Snoke and Luke? In some ways it does point to Snoke, perhaps not being Palpatine, but seriously heavily influenced by him.

 

I had considered this possibility, but:

1. Snoke was described as someone who was around during Palpatine's fall
2. Snoke's demeanor was just so much more different than Palpatine's (IMO)
3. It was confirmed (wasn't it) that neither Snoke nor Kylo Ren was a Sith. Palpatine was a Sith

I don't think it's impossible to say that Snoke was a Palpatine avatar. I mean it would explain why Snoke knew what was Palpatine's downfall (there were only 3 people in the throne room when Luke swayed Vader back to kill Sidious, how could Snoke know what happened unless Luke went around telling the story). It would also officially make Snoke's back story truly irrelevant (I continue to reject the idea that based on TLJ alone his back story wasn't important - if he's just a puppet for Palpatine his backstory really isn't important)

 

If Hux isnt in Ep 9, then he must have just disappeared and I'm sure kylo ren had nothing to do with it at all.

 

I have to agree. Hux was a decent character in TFA but its impossible to take him seriously after Rian Johnsons decision to transform him to a stupid comedy guy in TLJ.

 

Hux may be the surprise of IX... when we finally see Palpatine, it may be a possessed Hux. Though not before he gets completely destroyed by Kylo and maybe one or all of the KoR take him to Palpatine, a vessel full of hate and ready to take a deal that will destroy his body but allow him to have his revenge.

 

We get this at least twice and maybe three times: first, in the Aftermath series, Rae Sloane (who was possibly instrumental in starting the FO, talks about how without Palpatine the Empire could have been something truly great and righteous. In Bloodline, the Centrists talk about how Palpatine sold out the dream for his personal obsessions with all that Force nonsense. and finally, i think it's briefly referenced in Phasma that the FO blames Palpatine personally for the fall of the Empire (if not there, then it might have been in a different book ~ sorry; hard to keep track of all of this.

this is true, but don't forget, this was all on Brendol's watch.
and it's possible no one hates Brendol more than Armitty.
a lot hinges on who really raised Hux; was it Rae Sloane or was it Brendol? or is he just feral? XD

 

It's a teaser. They're not going to waste limited time on peripheral characters.