Reordering the films and seperate the PT

Benicio Del Toro not mentioning the prequels among Star Wars is not too suprising to be honest. Thats pretty much every major executives opinion about Star Wars. They only mention the prequels as negative examples. Those movies (with the OT special editions) started the greatest movie-hating agenda ever (People vs Geroge Lucas, RedLetterMedia reviews etc).

As for the dislike, dont worry you will get plenty more if you dare to have a non-glorifying opinion about the prequels. Fanboys like D-green will notoriously dislike every post which dares to question the object of his beloved fanboyism. Very pathetic, but if thats makes makes him happy, let it be.

 

RedLetterMedia reviews are joke. And people that copy their opinions are just sad.

Also Rian Johnson has said several times that he likes prequels ( soo you have example of very important person for us right now who like them ). Prequels as every movies that exist have people who like them and dislike them. Nothing new.

As for the ratings. You have the least right to preach about that ( negative or neutral ratings to everyone who like prequels or dislike TFA or OT ).

 

When JJ talked about Star Wars it was basically the OT. The couple times he mentioned the prequels was to make sure TFA wont going to be anything like those.

The RedLetterMedia reviews are thousand times better than the prequels. And im not even kidding, and I dont care how many dislikes will you give me for this, this is my opinion (and many others aswell).
Wheras the prequels fail to entertain any intelligent adult even a bit with its terrible acting, horrendous visuals, boring characters and one of the worst dialogues ever written,
the Plinkett reviews never fail to amuse anyone with its intelligent satiric humour and insightful analysis of those CGI marketing crap movies which damaged the greatest movie saga ever created.

Plinkett's lines are lot more quoted than anything from the prequels.

 

Bashing things I like, I do not find friendly. Same as many others do not find friendly when someone bash OT or even TFA.

 

I agree with you (and GL). The order is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

Realistically speaking, I think the secret is out. I remember hearing it on The Simpsons before I had ever seen a Star Wars movie. That certainly didn't ruin it for me, but I already knew the truth.

If you ask me, a good time to watch 7 would be "never," but that's a different topic.

 

I look at the PT like EU books. It's there if you want it, but the story that everyone recognizes is 4,5,6,7,8,9.

 

I DON'T WANT THE PT REPACKED. I say that they need to be left alone. If you're going to demand that the PT be repacked to fit some black-and-white morality of how the saga need to be, then you might as well make the same demand of the other four movies.

I am so tired of this. I'm so tired of these constant bashing of the PT and these constant demands that the PT either be re-written or removed altogether from the saga. I'm tired of it all. I can barely stand "The Force Awakens", but you won't see me demanding that Disney go back and re-write the movie or anything like that.

Everybody? You honestly believe that you're speaking on the behalf of all STAR WARS fans? Really? Even those large number of fans who love the PT?

 

On the off chance it's escaped your field of vision I recommend...
The Star Wars Saga: Introducing Machete Order
...in conjunction with the "Anti-Cheese Edits" available on YouTube for those with a weak stomach for the PT. I only wish the ROTS edit contained the deleted scenes that provide much more context and realism to character decisions.

 

I get where you are coming from with this thread, but I think renumbering the SW movies would just confuse consumers even more. Love or hate the PT, they are part of SW. I think fans are smart enough to decide for themselves what order they will watch the films in.

Excellent post good sir, I still lean towards watching the OT first myself if you are going to watch one entire trilogy before the other, but your points make me more OK with someone seeing them in episodic order as well. I think there will be fun treats and insights for the viewer either way.

I was wondering when somebody was going to mention machete order. Great way to watch the films as well.

For me personally, if I ever have kids of my own, I will probably show them the OT first, followed by I, II, The Clone Wars animated series, then III. I like the idea of showing them the animated series before III as that mostly solves my biggest complaint with the PT, namely that I never got attached to Anakin while watching the prequels, which in turn sucked a lot of the drama out of his fall in RotS. TCW on the other hand was able to flesh out Anakin as a character properly, showing his heroic and likeable side. Additionally, the show also showed us things like Anakin and Obi-Wan's friendship, Anakin and Padme's relationship(with actual chemistry that doesn't make you cringe ) and it allowed us to get to know brave Jedi like Plo Koon and Kit Fisto, thus adding more weight to the tragedy of their deaths in RotS, and so on. Basically, watching TCW first makes watching RotS more powerful in every way.

 

I feel differently. I managed to get very attached to Anakin without watching the CLONE WARS. I don't really bother trying to tell others on how to watch the Saga. Sometimes, I watch it in order. Sometimes I don't. It depends upon my mood.

 

If you're doing this to preserve the big reveal that Vader is Luke's father then I honestly think you're wasting your time. Anyone in the Western world will likely, even if they have never seen Star Wars, will have some vague idea about Vader's most famous line. It's been spoofed or parodied and referenced more than anything else from Star Wars, it's part of the collective consciousness of modern society. I feel like it's like watching the movie Lincoln and trying to be surprised by the last part of the film.

 

True story, I watched The Alamo with a friend of mine and he was bummed out by the ending. He thought they were all going to bust out of there and make it out alive.

As for that argument, I think the whole Vader reveal could apply more to people showing their kids the films for the first time. Depending on the age of the kids, it is possible that they may have not heard about it yet. Once again though, parents can make that decision themselves without renumbering the films, something that is totally unnecessary.

 

I was actually coming here to start an admittingly simpler approach to the topic of viewing order, so here I go.

I will start off by saying something: I dislike the prequel trilogy. The number of mistakes, flawed ideas, poor writing, terrible directing, lifeless acting (with the exceptions of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid), over use of green screen which you could actually feel, and I could honestly go on. It wasn't because they disappointed me, but because they are a waste of potential. With the basic story idea of seeing a noble hero fall over the course of a trilogy is fantastic. But the execution just fell flat on its face.

But, in the end, I don't want to go back into the past and try to change it*. Look at what happened when Lucas did it! Going back and changing the episode numbers would just be confusing, frustrating, and would accomplish little. And to be fair, the most recent releases of the films (the steelbooks, the digital copies, and The Force Awakens in general) don't use the numbering outside of the crawl, simply Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, etc.

Also, real quick, what I want to say on viewing order:

For first time viewers, I would say release order (A New Hope, Empire, Jedi, Phantom Menace, Clones, Sith, The Force Awakens, etc.). Not only do you get films I think are better, but honestly, the prequels kinda act as it knows you've seen the original trilogy. It constantly foreshadows Vader (even using the Imperial March...which isn't even used in A New Hope as it was written for Empire) for instance. It isn't even all that subtle about Palpatine being the mastermind (look at Qui-Gon's funeral. Right after Yoda and Mace discuss "Always two there are", the camera pans right to Palpatine's face in the foreground. And that's not even factoring the level of obvious manipulation when it comes to getting Jar Jar to propose the Emergency Powers Act or the fact that you can tell that Palpatine's under those robes the whole time).
I also like what HelloGreedo said in his video on the subject.
For future marathons, I watch them in chronological order. Might as well as the only reason to watch it in a different order is considering the first time viewer. If you don't want to watch the prequels, just don't at that point. But I still do since I am a completionist and the films are nostalgic. It's what I did when I watched all six films for the 30th anniversary (which was also the first day of summer break for me that particular year) and what I did when I watched one film each day leading up to The Force Awakens.
And I really don't like the machete order. That is just jumping around as an odd sort of compromise that I don't understand.

While done in a humorous fashion (darkly at times, but still humorous), there are legitimate and intelligent complaints and criticisms throughout the Plinkett reviews.

It's still easy for it to happen. I grew up in a house that was filled with people who constantly watched TV and movies and I still didn't see Empire coming when I was little.

Wow, that exhausts me even thinking about it as that is about 50 someodd hours with just the finished episodes and the movie! But I do agree that it would help a little (though I still think that the prequels shouldn't need this to make it work).


Man, this was a long post.


*Well, literally, maybe. Not figuratively.

 

When you state that the only mentions of the Prequel movies tend to be negative, does this mean you're unaware of the numerous fans of the prequel trilogy, who have expressed their admiration or love for these films? Or even some of the film critics who have expressed positive views of them? I can recall one film critic who expressed his view that the only two "STAR WARS" movies - out of seven - that seemed worthy to him were "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith". He considered the other five to be crap. Have you come across this article?

And why should we even bother to consider Benicio Del Toro's views on the movies? There isn't a soul on this earth whose opinion of the Prequel Trilogy means more to me than my own. Not even a celebrity or movie executive's view.