Rey Solo

And this shows a good reason for why the ReyLo story needs to be told - for folks like you who think blood is all important.
I'd suggest that there is something abhorrent in forgiving people for atrocities simply because you share the same blood.
At the same time, there is something more compassionate and brave in forgiving people you are not related to.
That's what makes Rey different. That's what will make her a great hero.

 

So, a wife can't forgive her husband then? So Leia never forgave Han? No. Love is forgiving. It doesn't matter what kind of love. Btw Rey and Ben would become a family by being lovers. So, family can forgive atrocities.

 

dang this thread has gone full ReyBen.
frankly, to me they don't have to become lovers for Rey's forgiveness to be heroic.
in a way, it's more heroic if they're not!

 

About Luke & Leia

"The Last Jedi writer-director Rian Johnson says their shared history is an even stronger connection than shared DNA. They are family, but even before learning that, these characters had become a found-family.

“It was only at the end of Jedi that they became of aware of this bond,” he says. “The real bond is that they’re Luke and Leia. They’ve gone through this adventure together. They’ve been through some rough stuff together"​

Maybe Rey found a surrogate family, and it's fine, maybe she found her true family without knowing.

 

I agree, I don't think they will actually get to third base (though I wouldn't be surprised or concerned if they did). I think the important part is really Ben loving Rey and Rey showing Ben compassion.

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Johnson is more subtle with his explanations. Daisy explicitly mentions blood relations.

 

Kindly disagee.
He explicity mentions DNA...

"their shared history is an even stronger connection than shared DNA.
They are family, but even before learning that, these characters had become a found-famil"

 

yes, but interestingly, the emphasis is not on the DNA, it's on the fact that before they found out they were actually family, what mattered was that they had been through a lot together as found-family. there's a huge "but" right in there after saying they are family. it's a qualifier that matters here.

 

Yeah, I’ve been getting major Avatar (blue arrow tattoo, not blue people) vibes from the ST’s handling thus far, and I’d gladly see something similar here with Rey and Ben.

If Rey isn’t a Skywalker, I think that we’ll see her forgive Ben and become friends with him (similar to Katara and Zuko in TLA), and Ben will help teach Rey to some extent (for instance, if Luke ends up captured by Snoke at the end; otherwise, it might be more to do with making sense of her visions). Rose could get killed off...which could leave Rey and Finn as the likeliest romance (I think Poe’s out of the question after his suggestive dialogue with Rey was cut, and we will probably have a long-term romance somewhere).

 

Sorry, I hit post without realising and was going to come back to my post later!
Essentially, what @FN-3263827 said. But also, to finish my point, Rj speaks a lot more reservedly and is less explicit in his responses. Looking at what DR has said over the years, she is a bit looser and this time she strongly makes the point that being blood related isn't suggested nor is it important. RJ then goes on to say, as pointed out above, that it is Luke and Leia's connection before they're revealed as brother and sister that is important.

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Rey meets Finn, and they've never met before. He's a defected Stormtrooper. She's a scavenger. And then we're like brother and sister, and it's this amazing connection.

The Empire Strikes Back 2.0 then?

 

Yup

IX isn’t written yet remember, so J.J. could take this all in nearly any direction that he likes, unless VIII deliberately does otherwise.

Personally, it makes a bit more sense (for me) than doing a U-turn and producing romantic feelings for someone who killed their own father (and who’s own father was like an adoptive father to you) in the space of, what, a month?

But I do acknowledge some of the parallels between Rey and Kylo compared to, say, Padmé and Anakin, and ReyLo potentially having a child sets up for all kinds of “THEY MUST BE A SKYWALKER” if we get some follow-up films to IX and meet an innately powerful Force user.

 

and @master_shaitan

Sure the emphasis is not on the DNA: Luke and Leia were family before knowing they share DNA.
And my point was only we cannot debunk Rey-Related given what Daisy said.
If she is, then she will bond with "her family" not because of DNA (or blood) before knowing the truth.

That said, as you know, I'm absolutely fine with Rey Un-Related.
And sure Rian's words fit with this idea too (not only but also).

If we have to speculate, and if that's the case, then I guess it's not because it leads to Reylo as @Julius Fett suggestes.
There won't be any Reylo child.
It's because, imo, there will be no Skywalker at the end of IX.
Or Ben Solo is going to live a life of atonement hinting he's going to be last one.

 

Let me try and untangle this:

Are you saying that Kylo is only redeemable because of his family? Why would Rey being his sister or cousin help in his redemption?

I just don't get your point. It is irrelevant what the rest of the galaxy thought about Vader - Anakin was redeemed. Anakin was loved.
You're not just saying ReyLo is a bad idea, you're saying that the main message of the OT and the idea of Ben's redemption in the ST is a terrible thing and shouldn't have happened/happen.

 

who could ever reject this sweet boy?



this boy, who is the son of our OT heroes. this boy who Leia loves with all her heart, who Han sacrificed his life for?
this boy, who Rian Johnson calls a "sweetheart", who he says we can relate to?

yeah, reedeming this lost boy is so cheap.

 

It doesn't debunk Rey Skywalker, no. But again, she talks about the "family she creates" with BB8, Finn and then mentions Han Solo. She later says "relationships are formed with people that aren't even necessarily -- that wouldn't be classed as family, but family is who you choose" - again, lumping Han into that.

I'm never going to say she isn't a Skywalker. There is waaay too much going for that theory for me to dismiss it entirely. But I think Rey Solo has been well and truly dismissed -both by logic, the events of TFA and the actors themselves. What's more, as I have felt since Dec 2015, the evidence has overwhelmingly supported the idea that Rey isn't part of the Skywalker bloodline but that she becomes a part of that family regardless.

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You mean the future trilogy that likely won't happen, if indeed it ever will, for at least 10 years after the release of IX, with another trilogy in the middle (that might then produce another trilogy)?

Yeah, I don't think Adam Driver would be signing up for that nor would Disney base the finale of this trilogy on the potential for some vague future trilogy that may or may not be made god-knows when.

 

I have never disagreed with a statement so much in my life.

That is complete bullsh*t.

If you don't believe a partner can offer any sort of significant forgiveness, then to be quite frank I feel sorry for you.

I understand people twist certain facts and reasoning to fit their theories but if your willing to go to those lengths, its going to make it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.

Hopefully I have misinterpreted what you've written and if so I will apologise if not then I think you need to think very carefully about what you write in the future.

 

Have you even seen the original trilogy? The bit where Luke loves his father until the end and he returns to the light? The bit where Luke and the former Jedi forgive Anakin and he joins the Force alongside them?

If you think Ren's redemption would make you lose belief in Star Wars - you've been watching the wrong Star Wars.

 

doesn't matter. if Ben fails, the OT fails. those are the stakes.

still have no confirmation on this.

Han already forgave him. if his victim can forgive him, i think we can too.

this is your loss. Star Wars has always been about heroic virtue.