Rey Solo

no, it doesn't "debunk" anything. my point is that it is thematically consistent with what we've been told from the start:
that these characters are redefining family and that the family you're born into is less important sometimes than the one you create.

look at Ren for example: he had a blood family whom he has rejected.
he's chosen a monster for a father and settled for a hate-sibling in Hux as his "place of belonging".

Rey had a family who may have rejected her.
she's chosing the family Ren rejected, and a brother in Finn.

 

I don't have the quote at hand but when someone asked Lucas how Vader could be redeemed and forgiven after everything he had done, his answer was: isn't that what your own religion teaches?

It doesn't matter if Joe the plumber forgives Vader. That doesn't stop him being forgiven by others (Luke, Ben, Yoda) nor does it prevent him actually being redeemed - being brought back from the darkness. It doesn't undo his past actions, but that isn't ever the point about redemption or indeed forgiveness.

Sure, forgiveness is a hard concept to embrace. But ultimately, it is what Star Wars is about. It is the highest of virtues. Difficult to reach all of the time, but necessary if one wishes to truly end conflict and bring peace (to others and oneself). That is why the main issue is, can Ben forgive himself? I think he can - because like Vader he will see that he is loved. And by being loved, you can find it within to love yourself and do the right thing.

Exactly - Ren's story is the perfect juxtaposition with Rey's. One from heroes. The other from nowhere.

 

But - for instance - if Rey and Kylo are siblings, then is even more meaningful that she chose Finn as a brother
just because sometimes the family you're born into is less important than the one you create.
At the same time she will have a bond with Luke and Leia, as she had with Han, without knowing who they really are: family.

If she's not related, then... fine.
She will have a family, no matter what, because the family you choose may be more important than the one you're born into.

It will be consistent with that narrative in any case.

 

No in the eyes of the galaxy I assume not but nor could the forgiveness of family achieve that either. So I don't see your point.

 

true in the case of choosing Finn and Han, doesn't quite work with the rest if that family is blood, though. at least not for me. it's not a mirror comparison to Ren Ben's situation, which i just think would make it a stronger dynamic. ultimately this is just podging pieces around to our liking, so again: not a debunking or confirmation, but ways of thinking about the theme may inform the choices that Lucasfilm is making. someone made a strong point too of Lucas' advocacy of adoption as very near to his heart, so it kind of makes sense that the new Lucasfilm might honor him in that way (as the new family who adopted Star Wars--to make its hero an adoptee as well).

absolutely. personally, i think this has the greater stakes, that's all.

 

I don't care. The audience follows the hero, not that guy at the back of the cantina.

He'll save himself. She show him compassion because she will see things in her that are inside Ben.

This won't happen either.

 

oh, we're back to Rey Solo! whoooo! : D

also, this idea of replacing one child with another is honestly so abhorrent.

 

Or kylo could sacrifice his life for the woman he loves? Or does that not work?

 

Another daughter that went right...who wasn't brought up by them and who Han never knew was his daughter?
Yeah...no thanks.

 

it's like the alarm goes off each day and we start these conversations all over again..

 

Part of me hopes that he converts to Rey Random and then she turns out to be a Solo.

 

Crikey, even your theories about other people's theories are missing the mark by a country mile!