Rey Solo

Luck. It could've so easily gone the other way.

Rey was defenceless on a hostile world since the age of 5. Anything could've happened to her and no reasonable minded person would think leaving her was worth it in order for her to avoid Snoke - who can't sense her when she is off the planet anyway!

She faced a daily challenge to survive - and who is to say that being left there wouldn't have turned her to the Dark Side?
And I am assuming you think there would've been a time when they came back for her? How would she feel then?
Unless you think the plan was to leave her on that hell hole, forever waiting for her family? If so, wouldn't she be better off dead?

Whichever way you look at Rey Solo, it doesn't work.

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You're also missing the fact that Luke lived on Ahch-To and Leia on D'Qar - and Snoke never knew where they were.
Why couldn't Rey be with them?

And if your answer is that Snoke could've manipulated her through the Force, then why didn't he know when she had left Jakku and why didn't he do this to any Tom, Dick or Harry in order to find out where the Resistance base was?

 

Rey Soloist next week.

 

where does it say that Snoke doesn't know where Luke is? my memory aint what it used to be (and even then it was bad) but Snoke is intent on nobody finding Luke.
at no point does he make reference to finding him... to the point that he'd rather blow a planet up than risk someone flying off to find him. He shows no interest in obtaining the map.

same goes for the resistance.. until he thinks they have the map he shows no interest in defeating the resistance or the republic. he almost reluctantly gives in to Hux when he suggests they fire at the Hosnian system. it's not his agenda... what he is up to i'm sure we'll find out, but we're clueless at the moment.

Leia is the unknown here.. and to be honest, she has always been the anomaly. She is the daughter of Anakin Skywalker and yet nobody seems interested in the fact that she could be as powerful as Luke. Snoke got to her early on... so i wonder if there is more going on between her and Snoke than we think (and no i don't mean romantically lol). I suspect that he has had no interest in catching or killing her so far as she is a usable pawn for his dominance over Kylo.

 

Is this your response to my questions?
Says it all.

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Kylo Ren is looking for Luke. He wants the map to Skywalker...the last Jedi. Snoke fears Luke's return and so decides to annihilate the Resistance when it seems plan A has failed (finding and killing Luke).

Snoke wanted the map. He then wanted the droid - but if they failed, the droid and map must be destroyed. And if they failed at that, then the Resistance had to be destroyed.

Snoke has one agenda - destroy the Jedi - destroy Luke. That's why he sent Kylo after the map in the first place.

We shall see...

 

Hamill liked this art on Twitter...

Rey Soloists "yeah but just like Luke Ben loves to kiss his sister"

 

where did you pull that from?

all we ever see is Snoke getting mad when he thinks the resistance will find him. no way in a million years would he order the destruction of the map if he wanted to find Luke to destroy him... even with the resistance gone Luke can still train new Jedi. Kylo is practically working against his master's orders in trying to get the map.. as Hux clearly points out to him during TFA.

something else is going on here, and we haven't thought of it yet.

 

GENERAL HUX
Supreme Leader Snoke was explicit.
Capture the droid if we can, but
destroy it if we must.

Emphasis on "if we can".

Snoke fears one thing:

SNOKE
... Leading them to the last Jedi.
If Skywalker returns, the new Jedi
will rise.


And so instead of trying to get the map to find and destroy Luke, Snoke says:

SNOKE
General! Our strategy must now change.


The difference of opinion between Hux and Ren is that Ren wants to get to Luke at all costs. Snoke just wants to prevent the rise of the new Jedi. I believe we will learn in TLJ why Ren is so desperate to find Luke. To kill him? To find out some secret? To commune with Vader? Who knows? But TFA makes it clear - Snoke wants Luke found and destroyed. But when that isn't possible, he wants to keep him isolated.

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@Maximus

I'm being an idiot. It says it in the opening crawl:

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.


So yeah, that's where I...uh...pulled it from.

 

@McDiarmid we have been shooting holes in your theory for 144 pages let's turn the table a bit and give you a chance to return fire. As you know I'm not an advocate of rey solo or Skywalker, I'm firmly in the corner that she comes from a 'random' family. So here is my interpretation.

Rey was born on jakku to loving parents who under tragic circumstances were taken from her when she was 5 - 6 years old. Rey's parents were no one special and more likely weren't FS. Maybe they sacrificed themselves to keep her alive I dont know but the point is their story isn't important. The choices rey made after they disappeared is.

She never abandoned hope and seemingly lived a moral and unselfish life. The fact she stayed this way given her circumstances is a minor miracle in itself.

She has always been strong with the force in the same way Luke and Anakin were. She was never consciously aware of it, her skill sets mimic those of FS people already in canon such as Fast reflexes, a heightened sense of awareness and wisdom beyond their years.

She then joins in the adventure when Finn, BB8, Han and Chewie arrive in her life and she is shown that her life has significance beyond waiting for her family to return. Which she has always known deep down was never going to happen, it only took Maz to persuade her otherwise. She accepts her call to adventure when she becomes emotionally involved in the conflict, finding family and friends amongst the characters already mentioned.

Her strength with the force does not come hereditarily it comes from the same place as any other FS whose surname isn't Skywalker does. Don't forget as powerful as anakin was he was still palpatines slave. He wasn't all powerful.

The force has a will of its own and Rey is a part of that. Her story going forward is about her finding a family to call her own and understanding who she is/can be. She came from humble beginnings and rises to become something greater than 'the sum of her parts' which perfectly mirrors kylo rens story. Alpha and omega, positive and negative, light and dark, pauper and prince. The imagery and symbolism is extensive and echoes stories like Neo and Smith, HP and Voldemort and even Maximus and Commodus.

Well there you have it. A very brief outline of my idea for who Rey is. There's not one plot hole nor does it require any convoluted reasoning. It makes sense and in star wars circles of tells the Luke's story without the familial intrigue. How someone whom appears to have nothing can be truly unique and special.

Even the smallest person can cast a large shadow.

Tell me how that in any way canonically or narratively makes no sense.

 

it would take someone who wasn't an idiot to recognise if you were being an idiot... so you're ok with me bro

Yes Snoke initially wants to get the map.. but if he is happy destroying it if he can't get it, then doesn't that kinda hint to the fact that Snoke doesn't think Luke is a threat in his current location (or current state of mind)?

i dunno.. it doesn't make sense to me. Kylo wants to find him but we're not sure whether that's to kill him or not.. Snoke wants no sod to find him and is ok if the map is destroyed meaning that unless he knows where he is.. he will never find him either and he is technically as big a threat as ever to him.


that is massively off topic here lol....
Rey is not a Solo in my opinion (fixed)

 

No...it just means that Snoke realises that he can't stop the map getting to the resistance and so he needs to destroy them before they get to Luke. He wants to destroy Luke but the FO fails to get the map to where he is located. It shows how fearful he is of Luke in that he puts his super-weapon at risk. It shows how Snoke's number one agenda is to prevent Luke from returning - in any way possible.

It's quite straightforward, old friend!

Kylo clearly has an ulterior motive. He wants to find Luke at all costs. Snoke wants Luke dead but realises they cannot get to him before the Resistance now so would rather him isolated. It's better than nothing. But Ren clearly didn't want the Republic destroyed - he just wanted to find Luke. We will find out why soon.

 

we may have to shift over to Snoke or Luke thread to continue this before we get our asses mod smacked!, but i'll answer for now..

you need to re-think this.. it's not straight forward at all. unless he knows Luke cannot come back unless the resistance go to him... then destroying the map does not achieve his goal. Luke will still be out there and capable of doing what he fears.

he must know something about Luke's current status. he either knows Luke is stuck there, or he knows that Luke is unwilling to leave... but the point is that he knows something about where Luke is. If destroying the map means that Luke cannot return... then Snoke must know why he cannot or refuses to return.

 

Yes, Snoke knows that, for some reason, Luke is in exile and hasn't been in contact with the Resistance.
This has been public knowledge - but that is all Snoke has to play with.
He knows Luke is alive but hasn't been seen since Ben betrayed him.
He wants him found and destroyed. But when this becomes impossible, he wants to stop others from finding him and bringing him home.

Does this end the threat of Luke for Snoke? No. Snoke would know that Luke could perhaps return now anyway (hence why he originally wanted him found and killed). But he'll just have to deal with that if and when it happens now. It's not great news for Snoke - hence why he gets angry with Hux for failing in TFA.

 

So... I think this is where I bow out until after the movie comes out. There's already a couple leaks out right now that make me nervous. I generally consume all the spoilers I can, but we're so close now I might as well unplug.

Love the debate. We're all Star Wars fans so let's hope everyone enjoys the film.

May the force be with you!

 

My opinion is that Ep VII is showing she's not Han and Leia's girl but maybe it was just a bad movie and they went with this.

 

You all bang on @McDiarmid about him being wrong. I hope everyone is happy with whatever outcome is to pass..

But we've been warned several times:

Carrie : It's about family
Mark H: It's about a disfuncional family
LFL: it's a Skywalker family saga.

Just saying. I'm prepared for anything. I would prefer she was related but I'll wake up next morning and my
Iife won't change if she's not.

Regardless of any books, or the ambiguity of TFA. We have been warned.