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SPECULATION Rey was born and raised on Jakku.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Bluemilk, Feb 5, 2017.

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    I still think there is a connection between Rey and Lor San Tekka. That he is primarily there to watch over Rey from a distance, protect her if necessary. Obi Wan style. Possibly at the request of Leia, with whom he has a close relationship. I have trouble with the notion that Rey was born on Jakku to a couple of random galactic deadbeats and just left there. Her lineage has to have more significance than that.
     
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    I agree with you. Most if not of all orphans have noble parents/parent. They may not have been deadbeat at all. But I still believe she wasn't just dropped off there. Whomever was her mother had her there and then she was raised there and watched over as you say.
     
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    Maybe her powers manifested themselves at a very young age and turned her into an uncontrollable space toddler. Like that girl from Firestarter, mixed with Carrie, and a little dash of Regan from The Exorcist. Mind-flinging toys around the room, force choking the kid next door...who knows. Regular non-forcey parents freak out and bail. It's a tale as old as time.
     
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    yeah they wouldnt have shown him for 30 seconds to just die without any sort of connections to other characters
     
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    I actually think this to be a strong possibility. What's interesting is that Rian Johnson's Loopsr is centred around a young boy of similar dangerous talents. Perhaps Rey killed her own parents and had shut it out of her mind?
     
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    Hey...was looking for this thread :D

    This was the most compelling peace of evidence for me:
    She was in wonder of all the green scenery. She's never seen it before ever. Only sand.

    Although now that I think about it she does say exactly:
    "I did not know there was this much green in the whole galaxy" that kinda implies she has seen green but not much of it :D Or maybe she has seen it in holo-vids only....ummmm....or she is from Dantooine :p


    But also...I can not imagine anyone who loves her willingly leave her in that lovely place with Unkar...unless he is her mother's brother in law cousin in a second degree...or something....her despair for her family implies she had a loving relationship with them...but otoh...kids love their parrents unconditionally even if the parents are sith....so....hell if I know anymore...but to me it makes sense she was born there or brought there as a baby...and also dunno why...i think she has connection to LST and his church of worshipfulness of the Force...or whatever it was called
    As an aside...am I the only one or LST looks like a Kenobi...did OB1 had a brother hahaha...
     
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    That is a possibility. She could be connected to them or her parents were. But only thing is is she never mentions LST or them but that doesn't mean anything.
     
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    I also think a connection will be unvailed, however I suspect it may be an unknowing one from her side:-

    1. She thought Luke was a "myth".
    2. Lor San Tekka has a map piece leading straight to Luke.
    3. Lor San Tekka, in all places he could be in the entire galaxy, is based on Jakku right beside Rey.

    I think if you tie these pieces of information together, either we have an incredible coincidence (in addition to the Falcon already being in place) or there is a very strong link between Rey and Luke, which at a minimum Lor San Tekka is aware of.
     
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    There is no way Rey has been on Jakku her whole life. There are only two scenarios that make sense for me with Rey and looking at the canonical timeline has informed those theories.

    TIMELINE:
    • 15 ABY - Rey is born
    • 28 ABY - As stated in Star Wars Bloodline Luke and Ben are traveling around looking for clues about the history of the Jedi. Canon refers to Luke doing this apart from his "acolytes". Ben also finds out his Grandfather was Darth Vader
    • 28 - 34 ABY - In this 6 year stretch Ben Solo joins with Supreme Leader Snoke and becomes Kylo Ren. Luke’s Jedi Academy is destroyed by Kylo Ren and his fellow Knights of Ren and Luke goes into exile on Ach-To
    • 34 ABY - The Force Awakens takes place and we all know what happens there.
    THEORY #1 - Rey was left on Jakku for an unknown reason and has no relation to the Skywalker family.
    • We don't know the exact date that the Jedi Academy was destroyed by the Knights of Ren but we know it happened between 28 - and 34 ABY.
    • If Rey was at the Academy when it fell that means she was at the youngest 13 and 19 at the oldest.
    • Judging from the actress who played young Rey (she was 8) there is no way she was 13 or older when left on Jakku, unless they did a crap job casting.
    • All this makes me think Rey is just a random girl chosen by the force to help save the day and the trilogy is ultimately about the Skywalker line ending (Leah, Ben and Luke will all die) and knowledge of the force passing to a new generation.

    THEORY #2 - Rey thinks she has been on Jakku for much longer than she actually has because her father Luke Skywalker altered her memory.
    • Rey is Luke Skywalker's daughter and was in fact at the fall of the Jedi Academy
    • When the Knights of Ren attack the temple Luke is only able to save his daughter
    • Luke is crushed, he thinks he has failed, that he does not know enough of the force to teach and so he decides he must leave and continue his quest to learn more about the Jedi and to protect his daughter he takes her to Jakku and alters her memory.
    • I think When Rey touches Luke's lightsaber she doest have a vision, it's the memories her father repressed flooding back. She is able to use a Jedi mind trick and beat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber match because she has already had Jedi training and in those extreme circumstances her subconscious mind takes over.
    Just my two cents.
     
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    Daisy said she was 5 when she was abandoned. She is certainly not older than 8. And the Jedi slaughter happened 6 years before TFA at most which means Rey would've been on Jakku for between 8-13 years already (I think - my maths is appalling).

    Regarding those above summaries, what makes you think that there is no way she has always been on Jakku?
     
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    I think to much is made of her getting left on Jakku for it to be false. Why go through so much trouble with her not wanting to leave Jakku and then wanting to go back to Jakku in case her parents return while she is gone to just make it all be untrue? Personally, I tend to lean toward the theory Luke left her there and altered her memories to protect her.
     
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    She wanted to go back to wait for them even though they've been gone all her life. It doesn't make sense for Luke to have left her there because unlike in ROTS where Obi Wan hands over Luke to his Aunt and Unlce, then Leia to Bail and his wife to hide them from Anakin, we have Unkar Plutt taking care of Rey.

    Why would Luke leave Rey in the hands of a Junk dealer who is obviously working for the FO?
     
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    They haven't been gone all her life though, in the "flashback" we see her screaming after her parents ship or at least the ship they are on. Plus Obi-Wan and Yoda aren't deciding what to do with this 5 year old child, a mystery individual is with motives we do not know. Rey being abandoned on Jakku at a young age, having to survive and make a life for herself in and essential part of the character. Why set all that up just for it to not be true? It would be so much wasted story telling.
     
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    there really has to be a very satisfying explanation to all this and i fear the reports surrounding the 'show more, tell less' method that JJ was influenced by after speaking with Arndt, has affected the story/set up for Rey and Kylo, but especially Rey in regard to the clear teasing with her heritage. there is simply too many 'rhymes' to ignore about her character traits/back story/skills that resemble the Skywalkers.
    Luke couldnt have left her on Jakku and some sort of mind fabrication is a hell of a way to make the main hero of the OT out as a failure/bad father (another 'rhyme' perhaps ;) ). at this time, i dont necessarily think there is convincing evidence to say she was born and raised on that hell hole.

    something mentioned last page is interesting (Rebels/Resistance attacking Jakku post-battle of Jakku) because that would be able to give an 'out' for whomever left her there - chaos all around them, Rey hiding away (think RO style with Jyn), or even a younger LST involved.

    now that LST has been brought up, he would be at least 10-15 years younger when Rey was dropped off on Jakku. in Poe Dameron's comic (i think) this was revealed:
    "That's… That's the explorer."
    "You got it. He was here, unless there's another giant egg shrine around somewhere. I just need to talk to him, and then I'm out of your hair, I promise. Where is he?"
    "Gone. He left long ago."
    ―A Crèche elder and Poe Dameron, on the whereabouts of Lor San Tekka
    now i dont think its that big of stretch that Lor San Tekka was on Jakku and has been since Rey arrived. 'long ago' can mean just about anything, but it could be a hint toward why he left 'long ago'.
    another bit of info on him:
    Following decades of adventure, San Tekka retired to live simply on Jakku, where he follows the dictates of the once-forbidden Church of the Force (from the Visual Dictionary)
    i honestly think there has to be a connection between him, Rey, and possibly Luke . . .

    FYI i dont believe its confirmed that Kylo AND the KoR destroyed Luke's Academy. its only confirmed that Kylo did, with or without the help of the KoR (whom i would think, since Kylo is the Master, only became a thing sometime after Kylo succumbed to Snoke).

    moving on, and
     
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    I think it's assumed the Knights of Ren destroyed the temple because of the flashback scene showing all of them in the rain surrounded by dead bodies. Has it been confirmed if all of that vision took place on the past?
     
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    Rey might have been kidnapped, and left with the likes of Unkar Plutt. No one in their right mind, would leave their child with the likes of Plutt. Her parents may have been taken away by force as well. Rey sees her parents take off on a ship but it could have been against their will. The way Plutt treats her on Jakku shows that he doesn't care for her at all. She must work for him for little or close to nothing. He is working with the FO to find BB8. Plutt tries to bribe her to buy the droid. This is not a man you leave with your child.
     
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    Thats a pretty intriguing idea. Still leaves the question who would have kidnapped her and why. The easy answer would be The First Order but we don't really know what they were doing at that time or if they had even been formed yet (formed sometime between 5-28 ABY).
     
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    In the Force vision we are seeing what the lightsaber sees and relating it to adult Rey. As for the part where little Rey is saying "Come back." then Rey looks up to see a ship doesn't mean that is what little Rey sees, nor does it even mean it is related at all.

    It changes from her seeing her younger self to a ship going towards the Starkiller base, I think. Anyway I think little Rey was actually looking at her parent or parent walking away.
     
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    I would not go with that easy answer, more of a well thought out esoteric one. For example, instead of Han being her father, maybe the old smuggler gave her to Unkar Plutt. He knows something of her past because Maz ask him, who is the girl? Or, could be a bounty hunter, someone vile and despicable. It can't be the FO because they would easily turn her over to Snoke. How did Unkar Plutt really get the Falcon... unpaid debt? We know Han skips on his obligations... Why? simply because she is force sensitive, a Jedi. Sort of like the kid mobster in Looper. He had a power when unleashed could cause mayhem. In RJ I Trust!
     
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    Nothing has been confirmed about Luke's academy (or if he even had one). All we have to go on is Rey's vision and that Han says "He was training a new generation of Jedi. One boy, an apprentice turned against him, destroyed it all." Remember, in the SW Universe, "destroyed" does not necessarily mean physically destroyed; however, the script says "see a burning temple at night...R2-D2, who watches the flames. The vision is edited to make us believe that the scene with the KOR is the physical destruction of Luke's academy. I tend to believe the KOR were Luke's pupils.

    The vision has at least one scene from the future - Kylo in the woods on Starkiller Base - but does not seem to be in chronological order, otherwise everything other than Kylo in the woods happened before Rey is left on Jakku.
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    Well, we are told that Unkar stole the MF from the Irving Boys, who stole it from Ducain, who stole it from Han Solo.
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    I agree that if there is a connection, Rey is unaware of it. In her Survival Guide and short story she only vaguely mentions religious people that live on Jakku, never mentions Lor San Tekka but mentions just about everyone else at Nima Outpost.
     
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