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Rey

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Mar 9, 2016.

  1. McDiarmid

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    A Puzzle.

    What if Rey has been left on Jakku, during the event of Renegade,a rebelion, when Luke's Jedi's including Kylo Ren mutinied and obliged to Snoke, becaming the Knights of Ren.

    In that event all Force sensitives Ren-e-gaded in favour of the Snoke, or have been killed.

    She was very young child than,probably 5 years, but surely she manifested the Force or this was obvious because of her (Sykwalker) bloodline.

    She was saved from death, or even more darker destiny by leaving her by someone there on remote junk yard ,... by someone who cared about her...

    Question: why was Lor San Tekka living on the same planet where Rey is,on Jakku?

    It looks as almost analogy to Obi-wan Kenobi living next to young Luke on Tatooine.

    And why exactly him, Lor-San Tekka on Jakku, living near Rey, had a map to Luke Skywalker?


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    Last but not the least:

    R2D2 awakens from the state of low energy at the end of the film, exactly when Rey came in his vicinity, when she first time appears in rebel base
    near R2D2, activating the rest of the puzzle of the galaxy map left in his memory.Why?

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    The novel explains Artoo's awakening far better than the film.
    Everyone is talking about the missing part of the map. Then when Rey says that Kylo told her they took the map from the archives of the Jedi - Artoo awakes.
    He awakes then because he realises he might have the map from when he plugged into the death star in ANH.
    Artoo was in low power mode - but still alive, he could still hear.
    His low power mode IMO was because Artoo was sad his master was gone. He had no purpose. When he realises he might have a map that leads to Luke he has a purpose again and returns.

    They botched this in the film and said BB8 woke him up - but Artoo lights up before BB8 gets to him!
     
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    The real master of R2 is Anakin. He was even his choosen man !
     
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    In the movie I had strong feeling Artoo awakes at the moment Rey came to the base for the first time, I felt this moment was some kind of trigger for Artoo's awakening from low- power status.

    It will be an interesting loop. Part of the map was at Lor San Tekka at Jakku, on same planet where Rey is.
    And then the other component of the map is in Artoo who awakens after Rey came.
     
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    It should be noted that Luke's Jedi Order was killed by Kylo Ren, this much was stated in the Visual Dictionary. I wouldn't say that destroys any possibility of any rogue Jedi, but the implication is that they were slaughtered.
     
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    This film capture I am humbly repositing on this forum for some time explains far more than ever said.

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    This is a sight of massive battle, look around, a dozens if not hundreds of Dead bodies.

    The survivers, the victors of the battle is Kylo Ren ad 6 of his companions.

    This is a sight of mutiny and battle between former Luke's Jedi between themselves.

    In this one single battle a Jedi knights who mutinied (Renegaded) ,led by Kylo Ren, were victorious.

    They pledged ther allegiance to Snoke, and we have the moment the survivers are gathering at the end of battle, the moment Knights of Ren ( Jedi Knight Renegades) were formed.

    Renegade means one who mutinied, a rebel, one who changes his faith or allgiance in favor of another faith or alleagance to someone else.

    Knights of Ren.
     
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    Unfortunately this scene isn't the Jedi massacre though. This is the KoR destroying a group called The Clan and it occurs after the Jedi massacre. This is where Kylo gets Anakin's saber but it is then stolen by Maz Kanata.

    I also don't think "Ren" or even "Snoke" will be a play on words or an anagram of something. That brings too much real world language and grammar into Star Wars. I believe Ren will be an invented in-universe word - like Jedi and Sith. For me, it's likely the next step from Sith, if we are truly having a Darthless trilogy.

    What I mean to say is, you might not be wrong in thinking Ren is a play on renegade but I don't think that the KoR call themselves that because they are renegades. And with that being the case, they likely got the word from somewhere else. And considering that the KoR existed before Kylo joined them, I think it likely to mean something else entirely.

    I'm wondering now, does Kylo ever use the term "Dark Side"? Does he just use "darkness" and if so, maybe "Ren" is the new term for the Dark Side of the Force according to the KoR? I could be way off there and will await being corrected! @FN-3263827 @JediMasterRobert @Revanite @Yordis etc

    Further still, if the Whills are being brought into this, maybe "Ren" is their ancient term for the Dark Side or just the Force itself?
     
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    Strange for battle against some clan to be so important to be in Rey' intimate vision..

    I dont Know is this debated jet :

    In her vision Rey falls on the floor on that battlefield...

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    She is on the floor, same battle, same rain....she looks from below
    , rises her head
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    Than we see one of the combatants rising his weapon to strike at her direction on the ground.....

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    than we see that same character been killed from behind by... Kylo-Ren's saber !.

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    and we see Rey ( a child), left on Jakku....

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    and scene of Luke, making a touch on R2D2 which indicates leaving a message or assignment to the droid....

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    The vision order isn't like that, it goes - Bespin - Luke hand on Artoo (Jedi massacre aftermath) - KoR Clan battle - Rey being left on Jakku - Ren in forest (future)

    So I don't think it's actually in order. The Jakku bit seems to jump back. The KoR bit is definitely after the Jedi massacre scene so we see that they are different. And then we also know that Rey was 5 when she was left on Jakku thus this must've have happened certainly before the KoR vision and evidence tells us at the moment it happened 8 years before the Jedi massacre.
     
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    Its vision, not needed to be cronology exact, still she has vision been on the battlefield herself. She has been treathened -- her life was in danger when she was small child.

    Whatabout this Rey's vision she is on the ground on battlefield, and someone tries to kill her, but has been prevented- killed by Kylo Ren's saber?

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    One more question to you: Why would a battle against some clan be amongst so intimate personal visions of Rey? In same class as vision of Bespin , of Luke ?
     
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    But we must assume that this isn't a real scenario. Rey is just placed into the scenario - maybe replacing another person or just witnessing events. It's a dream like sequence where reality is blurred with fantasy. I personally think the whole thing is about the legacy of that Vader vs Luke battle - what happens with the lightsaber. Kylo and Rey's stories are most definitely intertwined and I think the saber is the centre point. It's the thing that binds them, metaphorically speaking.

    For Rey, her destiny is to become the next Jedi. Her life has lead her to that point (finding Luke) and the saber was a big part of that. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that she has some prior link to it in some way (perhaps through her parents). And for Kylo, it's the connection to Vader. Wanting to be the new Vader. So Rey's vision is all about the journey of the saber, mixed with her journey and of course tying in with her conflict with Kylo. It's for me about Kylo being on the parallel path - Rey is on Luke's path (light side) and Kylo is on Vader's path (dark side). So the vision shows how Rey is on this journey and the lightsaber is taking her on it in a sense - and Kylo is there too, on his own journey that has an different motive.

    It all ties in with how the saber both belonged to Vader and Luke. Vader used it for evil. Luke used it for good. And I am pretty sure this is what Kylo means when he asks Vader to show him the power of the darkness again. I think he had a vision similar to Rey when he touched the saber. It was a vision that for him showed him what he must do. This ties in with why he has the helmet - after he loses the saber, he wants to have another vision and so begins searching for Vader artefacts to try and conjure it again. But it doesn't work. I believe this might be because he misinterpreted his saber vision. To him, he saw evil things and thought he must copy them. But in fact, it is the opposite. It's about how one must try and conquer the Dark Side and become a Jedi...
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    Because firstly, it's where Kylo either gets or gets and then loses the saber (that is important to him) and thus how this saber ends up with Rey. In the original script, we see Maz pick up the saber and walk off with it. But really, it's just about the journey of the saber and it's importance to finding its way to Rey.

    One other very interesting thing is that in the leaks leading up to TFA, it was said that Rey's parents were part of the Clan...
     
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    What if Kylo Ren killed one who tried to execute a youngling to?
     
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    There weren't any younglings around it that scene. This was the clan. They had Luke's saber. Kylo wanted it. He got it. Then lost it.
    What does make this a bit muddy though is that the guy Kylo kills was originally listed as "Clan Leader" but is now referred to has a "KoR" on IMDB and perhaps other sources/credits.

    Another theory I have is that if Rey's parents were part of the clan, she might be witnessing what happened to her mother/father. She might be in place of one of them in the vision - so perhaps Kylo killed her mum/dad or didn't and knows where they are?
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    Holy sh**, something has just come to me...

    If Rey's parents were part of the clan then maybe they did have some connection with Luke - like they knew where Luke was/had gone? Then when the KoR are killing the Clan members, Kylo has an ulterior motive - he wants to find out where Luke is. But one of the KoR goes to kill Rey's parents (as instructed by Snoke or whatever) and Kylo Ren stabs him (maybe he was the original leader of the KoR and this is where Kylo takes over them)? Maybe this is how Kylo discovers that Luke has gone to Ahch-To but still doesn't know where that is...? Continued here: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/the-secret-to-lukes-map.8719/page-6
     
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    What if he executed his own Knight of Ren to save a youngling?

    What if Kylo Ren has failed there, and showed he is not as strong as Vader, who by the way masacred younglings in a Jedi Temple?

    Kylo Ren's deepest fear , pull of the Light .

    But Han helped him ,at last ,to show to Snoke he can do it....


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    However can you please show me where can I found this information about KOR battle against The Clan and such details I was not aware of this information ? Thank you.
     
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    Pablo confirmed it on Twitter.



    I can't see Kylo showing his weakness in front of the other Ren. I think it's more likely that he spared someones life because he wanted information about Luke but the master of the Ren at the time dismissed him. Then Kylo takes out the guy and becomes Master himself. You can see by the way the other Ren surround him that they wanted him as their master - he is likely more powerful than all of them after all AND Vader's grandson.

    EDIT: Wrong tweet. Sorry, he says in another one that the flashback isn't jedi massacre...will look for it now!
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    Here:



    Although Pablo seems to confirm the guy was a Clan Leader not KoR so that kinda strikes out my theory...
     
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    Common practice of becoming leader in dark and agressive clans such as Knights of Ren is by killing its previous leader.
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    I apologize for this heresy in advance:


    What if Pablo has misinterpreted it?

    Script says Kylo kills Clan leader, so Pablo concludes its battle agains some Clan, so can't be a decisive Jedi battle but some other battle.


    The script says Kylo Ren kills the " The Clan leader".Nothing else?

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    First of all this killed character (stabbed by Kylo Ren saber) looks to me dressed typicaly for Knights of Ren.

    What if this indeed could be the scene of great Jedi battle,of mutiny. A battle of the Clan of mutinied Jedi against the rest of Luke's jedi. Massive battle.

    But the leader of mutinied Jedi was not Kylo Ren, he was very young, it could have been someone else, some older Lukes former Jedi.

    The Clan of mutinied Jedi defeat the loyal Jedi with the help of Kylo (who changes side in critical moment) but the leader of Clan was not young Kylo Ren..

    The Clan leader tried to execute youngling to, but Kylo kills him, and becames the new leader of the Clan.
     
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    BTW , I would like to speculate that the Clan Leader, one who initialy led the Jedi outcasts to rebelion against Luke , one who was first to pledge his alleigance to Snoke, will be acted by Benicio Del Toro.

    I also speculate that some shots about this events could be filmed in Dubrovnik, since new characters (Rey, Finn) aren't in Dubrovnik, as well as BB-8 not seen there, Lea however is there, so presumably some events from past will be filmed there involving Benicio del Toro (he comes to Dubrovnik), and it is confirmed he is playing a villain.

    Del Toro is not a character who will play some subordinated regular Knight of Ren. He is a master in playing the leaders of rebellion, the main outcasts.

    Benicio del Toro playing Che Guevara:


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    A perfect actor for main Jedi outcast .
     
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