Snoke & The KoR

I have some theories.

The Knights of Ren served the Empire as The Emperor's henchman or personal assassins.

• After the Empire collapsed, they have become master-less assassins, aka Ronin. Worked as bounty hunters.
• Pride and Glory were the past gone with their former master. Until they were summoned by a mysterious force. The voice from the past that led them to the secret tomb. There, they found Snoke, an ancient sith imprisoned, half-dead but still alive.
• They rescued him and welcomed their new master. But, they're not force-sensitives.
• Snoke want his apprentice and they gave what he want, a child strong with the force and descendant of the Skywalker bloodline, Ben Solo.
• But he's not best enough to be Snoke's apprentice, there is an another child who is stronger with the force.
• Snoke sent Kylo and the Knights to bring the girl to him, but a knight wanted to kill her to avenge her father who responsible for the emperor's death. But, Kylo saved the girl and killed the knight who happened to be the leader.
• Kylo succeeded a rank 'master of the knights' and took the girl to Jakku, erased her memories and make everybody believed she was dead.

 

I doubt he would live that far back.

 

I have a question....Did MAYBE with order 66 the Knights of Ren was going to emerge???Any odds???

 

Ren = lotus = symbolical for immortality in eastern and western literature.
The knights are 7 = the number 7 stands symbolical for resurrection and immortality in western literature.
Plagueis = could prevent the ones he cared about from dying, but not himself
Palpatine needed Anakin to pull off what Plagueis couldn't, to prevent himself from dying. Anakin's injuries made him less powerful and debarred Palpatine from using his powers for this particular purpose. Palpatine cajoled Anakin to the darkside with the promise that together they could prevent the ones they cared about from dying.
If Snoke is Plagueis = Like Palpatine, Plagueis needs another Skywalker, Ben or Rey, to achieve immortality and become like a god. :O
The Knights of Ren = are Snoke/Plagueis creation after his exile to the unknown regions (after Palpatine tried to assasinate him - its Snoke/Plagueis paradigm change to the order of the Sith) : the knights of Ren strive for immortality by means of the darkside. Their leader Kylo is the figure around which this quest revolves and they worship him as the "chosen one". Under Snoke's guidance Kylo might unlock that power for them.

It was one of the original ideas of Lucas that the sequels revolved around "eternal life" and "immortality" and its consequences. Even Palpatine was originally conceived as being as old as he was by means of unnaturally extending his life span like Snoke does.
These story ideas have been used previously in the now uncanonical Star Wars legacy comic books: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cade_Skywalker
And for Rey's story take a look at this continuation of the legacy series also based on Lucas' sequel drafts: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ania_Solo

 

If you start arguing from the premise that Snoke is Plagueis, the knights of ren start to make sense . Plagueis was betrayed by his apprentice (Snoke reveals in the novel that he has had other apprentices before but that it didn't work out). Palpatine thinks he has killed him off, but instead Plagueis really did manage to cheat death and survived the assasination attempt (hence the scars on Snoke's face). Plagueis/Snoke then secretely travelled in exile to the unknown regions and there created a new order of Darkside users that would be quite different than the order of the Sith. He dropped his old Sith name Plagueis given to him by his old master and resumed his original identity of Snoke. The Sith are only two and that makes them weak, they expect to betray each other whenever the opportunity arises. The Knights of Ren are dedicated to their Supreme Leader and are obedient and loyal to his cause. The novel Aftermath reveals that some imperials decided that the empire should retreat to the "unknown regions" in order to find the origins of the darkside (Plagueis translates as "root/origins of evil/malice/chastisement"). They did and found Snoke. Snoke resumed command of an imperial remnant desperate for new guidance and leadership. Snoke saw his chance and resumed command over Palpatine's creation with the help of the Knights of Ren. From the unknown regions Snoke, now bolstered by the imperial military machine created by his apprentice and his new loyal darkside order of knights, decided to slowly plot his comeback to the galaxy and the destruction of the Jedi Order and the New Republic. He figured that this destruction would begin with the Skywalkers. So what better way than to turn Luke's apprentice Ben Solo against his master and family. His plan worked. Young Ben betrayed his uncle and family in order to become more like his grandfather Vader. Under his new name Kylo Ren, Ben hunted down the last of the Jedi. The First Order then managed to destroy the Republic in one swift stroke. With Kylo Ren's help Snoke now rules the galaxy almost unopposed with the Jedi all but destoyed. However, what he did not expect was for another Skywalker to show up...........

Camera pans

Starships

 

the KOR are apparently a post-ROTJ organization: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Ren

"The Knights of Ren operated in the decades following the Galactic Civil War."
that's pretty vague though.

i still believe they are Luke's students, whom Kylo Ren took with him to the Dark side, thus "destroying" Luke's efforts to raise new Jedi.
i know someone said that Ren joined them, but i can't find confirmation of that. anybody?

 

I also believe it mainly consists of Luke's former apprentices, but I also think the order might be a bit older than has been revealed. No clues however for that statement, just gut feeling

 

this seems super logical to me (with what tiny info we have).
it could also explain why Snoke treats the group a bit derisively (though again, that beat in the scene is sorta ambiguous).
if their function is to acquire Dark knowledge/artifacts, that ties into Ren's "hobbies", and it gives Snoke something to fluff him up over (or tear him down), whatever the situation calls for.

• Snoke says Luke ain't your pal and he's keeping knowledge from you and the other pupils. you should run off and discover who you really are.
  
• Ren convinces the others to reject Luke's teaching (he needs friends). they faction off as KOR and go off in search of Dark stuff.
• Ren reports back to Snoke, triumphant (he feels good about himself, has a place in the fate of the galaxy, everything is sunshine and roses).
  
• Snoke pats Ren on the head like a little dog and says good boy.
• wash, rinse, repeat.

the escalation being, of course, that Snoke is pushing Ren now harder and harder to eliminate people: Luke, Han, etc.

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maybe! we're just grasping at wee tiny threads here.

 

By the way one of the dutch lucasfilm publications revealed that the Knights of Ren "cheat and betray their way into power". Perhaps they mostly operate undercover and behind the scenes and one will almost never see them together all 7 at once. It has also been revealed that there are only 7 Knights of Ren, Kylo Ren including.

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agreed.


By the way quick question: has anyone seen whether they carry lightsabres on their belts in the movie. In the concept art book they do. But I'm at odds whether I can see it in the movie. Kylo seems to be carrying two sabres?

 

i don't know. i keep trying to discern clues from the picture but with the rain and the dark it's just infuriatingly muddled. i'm not sure the designs show lightsabers. i'm on the fence with that. could be?

obviously if the KOR aren't FS, then that blows my theories ~ hahaha

 

Concept art, nothing conclusive of course.