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SW E7 and it's tie into the overall Canon.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Maddog62, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. Maddog62

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    Here is a post that was buried into another thread. It was based on a question about a rumor, in which JJ Abrams was going to "Ignore the Prequels". So I felt it was important to start a thread with my answer because their is a general idea that is being manipulated by people on the outside either on purpose or simple misinterpretation.


    Just so you know, there is a plethora of false stories out there. Some of the are misinterpretations and some are flat out false BS. I think a lot of those stories are just telephone game gone wrong but there is a fair share of complete nonsense out there such as Original Cut Blu-Ray and rebooting the Prequels. I think the later is done by fans who didn't enjoy the PT, SE, and or BR cuts of the movie. Don't forget the EU is better than GL contingent. They believe if the they make enough noise they are going to get their way. However I think the Lucasfilm strategy is a Marvel plan on steroids. I think they are putting together a product based on the original fans a are sprinkling bits and pieces of the things that each of the different fan factions can enjoys and hoping that it will all form together like Voltron. Here is the LFL statement on canon:http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-pagenotice how it labels the OT, PT, The Clone Wars, and Rebels as the unmovable objects of the Star Wars Canon. I believe that the plan is to not isolate any of the different factions without suffering story. So let's say JJ Abrams absolutely hates every bit of the PT. I believe the plan will not let him deviate and completely ignore that era because the PT is now completely imbedded into that canon using Rebels to Bridge between the different blocks of canon. we are already seeing stuff leak out on Rebels through toys and publicity that proves this out right. Creating a synergy that ties the overall continuity makes sense because 50% of Star Wars fandom beloved the PT regardless of what a minority of older fans who prefer the OT uncut say. I think their plan was created by internal statistics and they have a much better feel for what people love than most common fans think. So the plan is Synergy or to bring as many fans to the table as possible to see SW7 and the plan is bold. Hopefully Episode 7 will bring in all fans old and new and that is their plan. I think by aligning Books, Comics, Movies, and TV/Film they can get those fans to appreciate the License as a whole which would bring in the most support. I think when it is all said and done things from the New Era will make fans appreciate the overlooked and underrated aspects of the old and give people new areas of the fandom to explore.
     
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    i totally agree with the idea of there being a bunch of false crap out there. i personally don't believe any of the supposed plot leaks i've heard so far. i dont think Driver will be the bad guy, i don't think it's about Inquisitors or super storm troopers or Palpatine (or Plagueis, for that matter) coming back, and i especially don't believe that bit about the hand and lightsaber falling from the sky.

    as for JJ and the PT, i think you may be looking into it a little too much. JJ is a professional and he's working with a huge team of people; there's no way they're going to pretend the whole PT didn't exist. i think he was probably trying to say is that the ST will be stylistically and thematically like the OT and NOT like the PT.
     
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    That's how I interpreted the article too, although I would love if the Sequels purposely went out of their way to go against the Prequels.
     
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    I think it will reflect more of the OT because it takes place AFTER the OT. If it was to take place prior to Episode I and have the look/feel of the OT it would be odd. Bringing the look of the OT back makes perfect sense but dropping the ST just because a group of fans didn't like them is stupid. That would be like saying, "I didn't like Iron Man 2 so I'm just going to ignore it while watching the Avengers."
    I happen to like the PT, not more than the OT but I did like them. While they were very different than the OT they were still "STAR WARS" to me.
    If Lucas had hired different actors to portray Anakin or had the directors from Empire or Jedi at the helm would you have liked the movie better?
    Well that didn't happen so stop complaining. It's not going to change. Enjoy it for what it is... STAR WARS. </rant>
     
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    It is absolutely stylistically, which makes sense if in fact the Empire and or Republic is fragmented 35 years later. I was specifically talking about the stories that mislead readers into believing that there is a blatant disrespect for everything that Lucas did after ROTJ going on in Disney/LFL. Since they have no reason to report to him they are going to go out of their way to create a apology product for the minority of fans who were upset. They would love you to believe that the PT is getting rebooted. Some version of the OT uncut exists and is being put on Blu-Ray to apologize for the SE. The also believe that you are not going to see any CGI and Ep7 will be completely done Practically. The fact is these people are just listening to half the story. It is a fact that they are and have Made practical effects for the new movies but it also is a fact that they will be using CGI. The Canon statement has in fact established that all 6 movies including TCW and Rebels is the Official Star Wars Canon. The story they are painting is just so far from the truth. There is actually haters going out of their way to continue the GL hate based on half truths.
     
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    Right. I took JJ's statement as using practical effects the most but CGI when needed, which makes the most sense to me as a fan and a beginner film maker. The fact of the un-edited OT on BluRay would be cool, but I wouldn't buy it... I already have the movies on BluRay.
    As for rebooting the ST, it would be a waste of time. Move on to the next story already. It's like the recent Spider-Man reboot and upcoming Fantastic Four reboot, "We already know their orgin stories since they have been told within the last 10 years!"
    No need for it.
     
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    But...but I didn't like Iron Man 2 and I do ignore it while watching the Avengers!

    Anakin's performance wasn't the problem, it was the writing. But the directing was definitely a problem and would of made it a lot better, maybe even kinda good, if like Irvin Kershner directed it! The story would of still be stupid, but non-lazy-unoriginal-unemotional-Prequel-Lucas style directing could of negated a lot of the effect.
     
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    Ignoring Iron Man 2 would result in: Tony and Pepper not knowing Nick Fury, Phil Coulson, Black Widow, or the idea of the Avengers. He would still have the suit from Iron Man 1 and in Iron Man 3, how did Rhodes get a hold of the War Machine armor?
    If we ignore the PT we never learn of the "Clone Wars", Yoda training Jedi, Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting along-side eachother and against eachother, Palpatine's rise to power, or Luke & Leia's mother. Sure it did have poor lines and terrible love scenes but it is still a part of the Star Wars story and nescessary.
     
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    You fought in the Clone Wars?

    There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi master who instructed me.

    He was the best star pilot in the galaxy...and he was a good friend.

    A young Jedi knight named Darth Vader - who was a pupil of mine, until he turned to evil - helped the Emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights.

    Man I can't remember the quotes for this one, but you get the idea.
     
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    I'm saying it expands on those lines Obi-Wan mysteriously throws around. You can't tell me you never wanted to know about those topics while watching the OT.
     
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    Leia: She was very beautiful. She died when I was very young. (Padme should have lived and taken Leia to Alderan)
    Luke: I have no memory of my mother. (Obi-wan still takes Luke to Tatooine)

    Hold on a sec! did Padme fake her death?
     
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    Right without the PT we think Leia knew her. She probably was referring to Bale Organa's wife.
     
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    This topic has zero to do with whether or not you enjoyed the PT.
     
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    For the record, this is part of what he/she said (it's been all been deleted 5 days after I gathered it all into bullet points on another site but I saved most of the posts):

    Abrams has been given to speak about prequels, but in interviews that I've read, he politely just defers elsewhere.

    http://collider.com/j-j-abrams-star-trek-star-wars-interview/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...Episode-VII-may-return-to-grittier-roots.html
     
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    Luke specifically tells her "Tell me about your mother. Your real mother." which was a perfectly good line, in a great, emotional, character-developing scene, but with the Prequels now it doesn't make any sense. Was Princess Leia now just supposed to have been being dumb? Was she remembering pictures of her real mother?
     
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    I've always used the Force as a cop out for this.
     
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    I will post this again. This thread has nothing to do with whether or not you like the Prequels. Enough of the George Lucas hate. What you are posting is neither origional nor clever. The PT is not perfect and either is the OT. I am not interested in your point for point breakdown of the PT. We get it you don't like them. We have been hearing it for 15 years. This thread was about how plan is to tie the current film with the existing canon. So if you have information or opinions on that I will be interested in reading it.
     
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    My posts were basically saying that you can't ignore the PT if you like them or not.
     
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    I disagree. I think it is more than possible to make a super awesome Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, without using like characters, plot devices, locations, music, or anything else from the Prequels. You can ignore many of the events that occurred without breaking "canon", like if they were talking about the Emperor, and don't ever call him "Palpatine" like he was called in the Prequels, that's ignoring the Prequels, but also not like directly going against them.
     
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    I kinda hope it doesn't tie in to existing canon. Maybe a few references. A "Jabba" here and a "Death Star" or a "hey remember when we found out we were siblings? Yeah that was crazy!" I like that kind of thing. But one thing that was great about the OT was how they would throw out references to things nobody has ever heard of, and they arn't explained. For example: The Kessel Run, Spice mines, Boche, Jabba (took three movies to finaly find out who he was), Ord Mantel, "I won her, fair and square!", "No disentigrations", All the Obi-wan and Yoda recounts of the past (some of which we saw play out in Ep. I-III).

    So anyway, I think there's no NEED to reference the other trilogies. But there is a need to reference the things that we haven't seen(and maybe never will). Its part of what makes the Galaxy Far Far Away seem big and cool.
     
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