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SPECULATION "That boy is our last hope." "No, there is another."

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Andrew Waples, Sep 4, 2019.

  1. Andrew Waples

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    "It's a cheap trick, but it works." Lucas on the Empire audio commentary on this scene.

    Could they be setting it up in a way where it refers to Rey and not Leia? Obi and Yoda should know that Leia is likely Force sensitive, but like Luke are keeping her a secret. It's a bit of reach I know, as Rey would've had to have been born after the Battle of Endor. Like Lucas said... "it's a cheap trick, but it works."
     
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    I don't know, she wasn't born yet as you said. Sounds a little bit far fetched especially when it was supposed to be Leia.

    But at the end, if Palps survived the OT then the whole chosen one thing is tainted to me.
     
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    But how would they explain this in the movie itself? Yoda appears and then: "Hey, remember when I talked to Obi-Wan about 'there is another'? I meant this scavenger girl."

    Nah, to much explanation. The easiest explanation is almost every time the best one.
     
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    Interesting idea.

    Today, we all know you are speaking about Rey - back in the 80's it could be considered not legit, as one actually couldn't foresee Rey's story.

    So, in the 80's, that meaning could just have been something like "we know the force passed from Anakin to his offspring, this offspring is made of a boy and a girl, so, we can safely expect the offspring of this offspring will also carry the force, and continue the fight..."
    In other terms the "there is another" does not mean specifically there is another boy (or girl), but rather "there is another hope because there is an offspring to expect", I mean "there is another hope because there is a future".
     
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    You don't have to flat out spell it out to the audience. Yoda knew about Rey when Luke was supposed to be cut off from the force. Since they intend to make this a 1-9 story, I feel that it could explain the "no there is another."
     
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    It's a nice thought but it probably is a nonstarter because:

    “The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is.” ~ Yoda

    One of the consequences of the Dark Side gaining strength, was the Jedi's ability to predict the future diminishing. Also the culmination of "there is another" is when Yoda tries to tell Luke about his sister on his death bed. He tells him after he is gone he will be the Last Jedi, and that there is "another" Skywalker.
     
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    It very well might! Lucas himself said during the making of Empire that the line was intended to refer to a female relative of Luke (either a sister or cousin) who would be featured in Episode VII. Its unlikely that Rey was alive in the timeline when Yoda spoke those words, but its interesting to see the connection between Rey and Lucas' vision for Episode VII when he was making V.
     
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    True. Yoda just didn't know the details, but he knew they where on Cloud City though. That much was clear.
     
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    @Andrew Waples I thought of something else also. Let's say the "that boy is our last hope" line is ambiguous (I don't think it is, but let's just go with it).

    How do you know he wasn't talking about Kylo?
     
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    Obviously he was talking about broom boy.
     
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    The one who destroys him is the chosen one.FG Luke or FG Anakin or Leia..or Ben..or Rey? Someone will take over the task of being the chosen one.:D
     
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    My gut instinct is to assume that these lines were clearly referencing Luke and Leia originally, and that this is reading into it too much.

    However, I remember reading once that originally Star Wars was going to be a much bigger franchise earlier on. The third movie would focus on the gang saving Han, with Boba Fett as the Big Bad. Then, a second trilogy would conclude with the fall of the Empire, and in that time the "other" would be revealed to be Luke's sister. NOT Leia, an entirely new character.

    Then, at some point during production, things switched around. Vader became Luke's father, Leia his sister, etc. The second trilogy idea was scrapped, Han's rescue made into a sort of opening act, and the entire fall of the Empire plot put into ROTJ's later half.

    Which is all to say that, if true, "there is another" was not referring to Leia, either. So, like, does it really matter that this is how fans have been reading it for forty years , now? Like, it's built into the very DNA of this statement that its ambiguity can be malleable, so why not?
     
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    "It's a cheap trick, but it works."
     
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    The Clone Wars cartoon is canon and Anakin went to Mortis with Obi_Wan and Ashoka by distress signal and essentially Anakin was supposed to replace the "Father" and refused after being tested and confirmed to be the "Chosen One". The Father was ill, he maintained balance between the daughter and the son. Father, daughter, and son all dead now. Anakin's mind was wiped. Basically if this really is the case, being the "Chosen One" had nothing to do with defeating Palpatine. Balance was maintained in Mortis which I guess now is in chaos. I've personally been wondering if somehow that will play into TROS somehow, but it would be a stretch and confusing to most fans. TLJ seemed to actually start going in this direction. For me, the Mirror Cave scene with Rey had more to it, some of it could be further explained with the books Rey obtained on Ahch To as well along with the weird alien creature thing in the mosaic on the ground.

    As someone mentioned things are clouded by the dark side interestingly it was a reference to (Phantom Menace = Palpatine), which conveniently seems to still be the case.

    The boy is our last hope and it being Leia was before Anakin defeated Palpatine in ROTJ. The line didn't seem to be referring to the "Chosen One", rather being their last hope to defeat Darth Vader and Darth Sidious. Though before there was a sequel trilogy I completely believed the same exact idea that Anakin not Vader due to redemption was the "Chosen One" by defeating (Palpatine) the Sith Lord Master. Personally and we will have to see, Palpatine being the main bad guy has pretty much redeemed the sequel trilogy in the context of it being a 9 film saga. Snoke's existence was probably my biggest disappointment, but now I believe we will learn why and it will make sense.

    Side note: on a far fetch reach of a theory could lead to Kylo/Ben and Rey maintaining that balance somehow.
     
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    All these 9 movies long, we've witnessed the dominance of Light, then the dominance of Darkness, then the Light rose again.
    We never encountered the Balance, althought this is a concept running from the start.
     
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    It's Ok but we can ask why if Anakin is likely a fraud, we spent 6 movies to learn his story.
     
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    “Darkness rises, and light to meet it."

    there will always be another.

    i think we all get too hung up on this chosen one business. it was just a jedi prophecy.. and a prophecy that Yoda himself questioned.

    when the galaxy is in the clutches of evil, do we really need to wait for one person to come along and fulfill their apparent destiny to sort it all out?
    rely on some text in some old book, or some scratched drawings on a cave wall that show someone defeating the bad guys?

    seems like an archaic notion to me. anyone can be the hero of these stories.. and there will always be heroes when they are needed.
    the light will always rise to meet the dark ;)
     
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    Snoke thaught you well my friend.

    Yeah, if they happen to be strong with the Force... I mean reallyyy strong. So no, not everyone could be that hero.
     
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    #TheSupremeLeaderIsWise

    So, both need to die for peace then. Light rises only if there is darkness.

    At least in Star Wars, yes.
     
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    this fella isn't strong with the force.. but everyone knows that he'll be the hero !
    [​IMG] :p <3
     
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