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SPECULATION The First Order Don't Have to be defeated in Ix

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Malkovich, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Darth Malkovich

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    Bare with me. Everyone seems to think the Resistance/FO conflict has to be resolved in IX. But think about RotJ, we don't see the complete defeat of the Empire in that. It was always assumed that there was still a war to fight afterwards bot in Legends and New Canon.

    What has to happen in IX? The Skywalker element has to find resolution. That means either Kylo needs to die or be redeemed. And this is what I hope happens. Wiping out the FO three movies in seems somewhat of a waste. At least with the Empire there was 20 years of their rule to play around with. So here's what I'm thinking will happen.

    Kylo is being "haunted/trolled" by Luke's force ghost. He is unexpectedly struck with grief over the death of his mother, but rather than this bringing him back towards the light it turns him into an even greater monster. He'll kill Hux at some stage. Him and either an apprentice or the KoR will hear of some means of messing with the cosmic force to destroy the light forever and thus destroy Luke. They track this to somewhere in the unknown regions (I really want Rakata Prime) where there is a final confrontation with Rey (and maybe an apprentice of her own), and Kylo is destroyed. (Maybe Luke finds some way to help/interfere through the force).

    Meanwhile the resistance and allies (some of whom are seperatist defendants) inflict a military defeat on the FO while not being decisive allows the free galaxy to consolidate territory maybe leading to I dunno, a Galactic Alliance?

    That's where I think the trilogy should end. Then what should happen is the war/cold war between the resistance and it's allies and the FO continues on Live action TV. Maybe that's why the name Star Wars Resistance was copyrighted.
     
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    I always wanted the Star Wars saga to end with the destruction of the force itself. No force => no fight between dark and light.
     
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    But wouldn't that result in the destruction of all life in the galaxy as well?
     
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    Taken as a whole, yes.

    The "Living Force" is basically the proverbial "spark of life". It's that element of energy that gives life to all living creatures.

    The "Cosmic Force", as I understand it, is like String Theory, that that "bound the galaxy together and communicated to individuals through the midi-chlorians" (via the canon entry in Wookiepedia).

    I guess there could be a permanent seperation of beings from the Cosmic Force, since that's generally the aspect of the Force that the Jedi and Sith harness. Or, alternatively, it might be possible to completely destroy the Cosmic Force and leave the Living Force intact. Not sure about that one.

    But yeah, destroying the Living Force could be a superweapon that would put the Death Star to absolute shame. In fact, that might not be a bad idea for a future plot device...
     
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    I would rather the first order was wiped out in episode 9..... have had enough of empire vs. rebel battles. :rolleyes:

    The Thrawn novel mentioned all sorts of danger in the Unknown Regions....maybe the future villains could come from there instead? I don't even mean the Vong...there were several other advanced races and ancient cults out there as well.
     
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    It would be so rewarding to hardcore fans to have a sneak peak at the vague threats looming in the outer reaches since years before they actually manifest on screen. I do hope that thread goes somewhere.
     
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    Maybe part of the series, seems like a season 2 type of thing, would be an uneasy alliance between the resistance and the FO to fight this outside threat.
     
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    I don’t know much about cosmic force or midichlorians, and this I’m going to say may be just total dribble, but what I see clear in the SW universe is that the problem force users have is the same religious people have in our world: they are susceptible to be sucked by fundamentalist believes, such as the Sith and the Jedi. The violent dominant tendencies of the Sith and the puritanical approach of the Jedi is IMO what’s ruining the force. Luke was in the right track in TLJ. I hope that Rey brings a bit of enlightenment to this terrible predicament!

    As for the first order, those guys will always stick around one way or another. They always do.
     
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    There is nothing else but the Force. You can't destruct what IT IS.
     
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    We've gone the imperial era in OT & FO has the ST era, a new order will follow for sure, but the dark presence in the galaxy still the same.
     
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    I DO expect that the FO will be destroyed, KIND OF, and despite the fact that I expected Kylo to just kill Hux out of spite previously, i'm now on the fence about it...

    Looking at the bigger picture; Hux IS a competent and dedicated leader, or else he wouldn't be where he is, and NOW, Kylo has to depend on him because of his leadership and experience...but Hux hates Ren, let's not forget that.

    While I don't believe that Kylo will kill Hux for pure pleasure, I DO think hux will be the Keystone in a plot to do away with Kylo...and Kylo will find out and THEN kill Hux, but I digress...

    I think we'll see the FO take a MAJOR blow of some kind....even perhaps a crippling blow, but it won't be enough to dissolve the FO right away. I expect to see the FO limp on for a while, and finally while still existing, just break apart into factions that all fly the FO flag, but each faction run by the remaining Generals that are nothing more that territorial warlords looking for the most power.
     
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    If that Phasma deleted scene is anything to go by, I think it's possible we could see the First Order revolt against itself in a civil war.

    Seeing as the first few minutes of the Sequel Trilogy humanize stormtroopers, this would be a logical way to go.
     
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    I always expected that we'd see Phasma leave the FO in a way and help the Resistance but not join them, just help them defeat the FO...to a degree. Now I'm not so sure... :)
     
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    It depends how they want to end this trilogy and how they view this within the saga.

    If the ST is a stepping stone to the next trilogy, they absolutely don't have to kill them off.

    If it's supposed to end the trilogy (and trilogy of trilogies), the FO doesn't have to be wiped out, but the resistance probably should have a decisive victory so fans feel the galaxy will go on in a semblance of peace. It will add weight to the sacrifice of those who died, that their deaths were not in vain.

    I don't disagree with you, but at the same time I think once numbers get so great, you need regulations and a check and balance. For that you need an institution and a type of hierarchy so that everyone tows the same line and follows certain guidelines (with this comes rules and bureaucracy). If there isn't that, then who will follow a Jedi's authority if no two Jedi's follow the same code (and by extension, morality)?

    It's the same question that comes up a lot. Freedom or security? We get this in Marvel in Civil War, so it's basically the same question. If you have a bunch of force users running around willy nilly, they won't be respected (and could actually become reviled and feared) and could be subject to persecution (which in itself would make an interesting new take on SW). So for everyone who's not able to use the Force, they'd probably rather have force users regulated, with teams in place to stop those who will do "normal's" harm. If you don't have those groupings (Sith, Jedi) then besides the color of their lightsabers (or their appearance lol) there's no way to know if this person is crazy, good or evil. The association to said group gives us a general idea of their belief system and then we can decide if we agree with that or not, and by extension trust or deny them any authority.

    SW could very easily turn into X-men lol.
     
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    The pitfalls of institutions and, in particular, of institutionalised religions, are many and I gather that the Jedi religion has these pitfalls too. I don’t know much about canon and therefore the ins and outs of Jedi life and belief, but i think it is safe to assume that Jedi prescriptions, such as celibacy or that stoical apatheia evident in Luke’s 3rd lesson to Rey in TLJ, are examples of challenging institutional pressures difficult for any red-blooded person to live up to, or even agree with. I think there is room for change and improvement in how the force is fostered, taught and used in SW. In blurring the lines between the light and the dark too. I would like to see kylo’s passion and anger meet some kind of acceptance in the force without having to fall in the realms of the Sith by default.
     
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    The first order will be destroyed. The second order will rise!
     
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    Or they could go the Windows route, and make the next one the 10th order, and just roll out updates from there. :p
     
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    I don't think it would make good business sense to destroy the First Order. Disney wants to milk SW like the engorged teat of a sea cow/giraffe thing. Selling Storm Troopers is a big part of that. You can't have Storm Troopers without some kind of empire. So, if they completely wipe out the FO, they'd have to find some goofy reason for the new villains to still use Storm Troopers. They've already used the idea of this FO rising from the ashes of the empire. I don't know if they can go back to the exact same well.
     
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    That's disappointing of that is the case! We need people who are visionaries in Disney to expand and build their own Star Wars for a whole new generation. :(
     
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    I feel like the First Order should be defeated it’s how it’s always been in all of the trilogies. But im up for change however, I would like to see a good reasoning behind it.
     
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