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SPOILER The lightsaber macguffin

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by DamionGraff, Aug 13, 2015.

  1. DamionGraff

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    Wondering if there's some illuminating bit of minutia that I'm missing here.

    The Death Star plans were a macguffin, but it worked well because nothing stretched credulity in the context of the fictional setting of ANH. Lucas was drawing on WWII, a conflict which undoubtedly included real life dramas involving stolen plans/blueprints, etc. Not only is there no need to suspend disbelief, the "stolen Death Star plans" macguffin is intriguing enough to inspire its own movie (Rogue One).

    Luke's lightsaber? Aside from the impossibly ludicrous visual of a lightsaber "tumbling through space," everything we know about its significance to the movie (to say nothing if its *existence* 30 years after being lost in ESB) is as believable as losing your wristwatch in a water park only to have it fall out of the sky into your son's driveway, half a world away, thirty years later.

    There's a sequence of unlikely events that keeps this outcome constrained to the inviolable laws of physics (e.g., the watch went from person a to b to c to d, ended up on an airplane, fell out of the sky, etc), but you might as well kill off a main character halfway through the movie by having their head spontaneously explode (it would be just as believable).

    Now, I know, I know. "The Force." That's probably what Maz et al. will pull out of their rear ends to explain it away. The lightsaber is like a lost puppy looking for its master. That would be fine, but as far as I'm aware, there's not one single example in anything that's ever been produced in the name of Star Wars (canon or no) that's ever established that inanimate objects like lightsabers have minds of their own and find their way back to their original owners.

    I always thought lightsabers were just pieces of technology like...ya know, lightsabers. Unlike droids, there's no built-in AI (right?).

    Is there some piece of information I'm missing about how the existence of this lightsaber (let alone how it got into space and ends up tumbling into an atmosphere) could ever plausibly be explained?

    More importantly...
    Why do the major players give a crap about this lightsaber?
    Why would Kylo Ren and his troops go out of their way to some podunk planet just to obtain....some old laser sword...??? And why would Leia send Poe to retrieve it?? How could she (or anyone else) possibly know that it was Luke's without seeing it firsthand (and even then, I'm not sure Leia's memory would be that great about something she probably only ever saw glimpses of)? Surely there are countless lightsabers floating around in the galaxy, in the hands of collectors, etc (we're only decades away from the fall of the Jedi).

    Death Star plans: Yes! There's a damned good reason to either risk your life or take someone else's (if you're Vader) for this.

    Some old lightsaber?.... Makes no sense.

    And then it turns out to somehow contain the coordinates to Luke's location....despite the fact that it was lost 30 years prior??? Huh?

    BTW:
    I'm aware that there's a Luke Bespin figure among the first TFA figs....which is just bizarre. I can't make any sense of the lightsaber stuff. Re-watch Ep 5! That lightsaber fell *into* the atmosphere of a gas giant! It's GONE!

    It seems weird that nobody else seems to think this is weird, so I have the nagging feeling that I'm missing something...
     
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    Well have you read the Third Order theory? I address the lightsaber issue in it along with the added addition that the Knights of Ren may have coded something into the lightsaber to explain that plothole
     
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    Thank you kind sir, I'll take a look.

    But man...."plothole"... Word, bro. Cuz I was thinking, like, might as well have Luke's hand spontaneously re-appear too and crawl around like Thing from the Addams Family because.....midichlorians!
     
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    New EW article suggest Leia is already in possession of the saber. Maybe Poe isn't on Jakku to retrieve it ,but to hand it to someone ?
     
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    Ya or they just worded it bad because we know Leia has the saber at some point because of the teaser.

    It could possible Poe was bringing the lightsaber to Jakku to have say MvS examine and try to decode it. I have a feeling if they have they just found it and Kylo has been searching for it.

    Per Third Order theory it was lost in the struggle of Kylo overcoming his master
     
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    No sir/ma'am, it does not. A *lot* of misreading going on with that article, apparently...

    We already knew that Leia comes to be in possession of the lightsaber (Maz gingerly hands it to her in teaser 2) at some point in the movie. There's zero reason to think that it happens in any way other than what's been spelled out for many months now (ie on MSW).
     
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    Maz give her the saber ?
    Maz design.jpg
    Could also be that when teaser 2 was made her design where not finished (a small chance) but anyway ,we shouldn't be so quick to assume things.... ;)
     
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    The Death Star plans were most definitely not Macguffins. Macguffins are items that are used as a plot device moving the story forward. They're important objects to characters within the story, but they're never actually used and remain insignificant to the audience. The silver case in the film Ronin is a classic Macguffin.

    The Death Star plans are a major plot point. There is no story without those plans, they literally put everything else into motion. Without those plans there are no droids on Tatooine, nor does Luke search for Obi Wan and learn about the ways of the force, the Rebels certainly don't learn about the exhaust ports either.

    As for the lightsaber in TFN? First off, it's a freaking lightsaber. Not only that, it's the same one wielded by Anakin and Luke Skywalker. This is a special weapon, like an Excalibur. Meaning that it has a destiny with one particular user who will probably the hero of the film. It's going to be a big deal when Rey finally decides to pick it up and use it. Will we learn more about it and why it decided to appear? Of course, but that's something we'll learn over the course of three films.
     
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    A simple idea that occurred to me- (that I like a lot more then the current rumors)

    EXPLANATION ON HOW FINN ENDS UP WITH ANAKIN'S SABER

    Finn and Poe are trying to escape the First Order Star Destroyer
    They come across Kylo Ren (or is that Snoke's?) shrine room to the Sith/Vader. The mask is there, Anakin's saber, other stuff maybe etc (no explanation needed)
    Finn nicks the saber just because it looks cool.*
    They escape the Star Destroyer
    Someone recognizes it later on

    * Or maybe they ducked in there to avoid a patrol. Or end up trapped in there and are looking for a way to escape like maybe Finn picks up the Saber, and then uses it to cut through a bulkhead or something.

    I know there are lots of other rumors of Poe having it and storing it in BB and it falling from space and whatnot

    But i like my original idea best. >_>


    Debunking myself:
    I know, I know... If Kylo had the saber already why didn't he study it to make his more stable? That right there torpedos my idea. Maybe he considers it sacred and would never pull it apart to see how it works? Maybe all he did was scan it and did his best kit-bashing one together :)
     
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    What is there is something more consequential that the light saber contains? I wrote up an article about this here (Note: External Link - http://www.starwarspost.com/why-the-lightsaber/)

    In the article I basically speculates that the Skywalker lightsaber may contain the Kyber Memory Crystal, or the list of all the known Force sensitive children at the time of the clone wars. It may be a wild theory, but I wanted to try and find and in-canon way of giving significance to the lightsaber.
     
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