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SPOILER The Mandalorian S3E3 Chapter 19- The Convert

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Madmartigan, Mar 15, 2023.

  1. Madmartigan

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    If this show has something, is that every chapter is unexpected, like this one. All felt curious and original.

    Never imagined to center the majority of the runtime in Coruscant with the doctor and her "companion". Prequel Trilogy vibes included. I also got Mandalorian chapter vibes in the middle of BOBF. Is this chapter a wink to a new future show centered in the remnants of the Empire and the beginning of the First Order to fill story events between E6 and E7? Cause the worldbuilding of the remnants of the Empire and the clearly Emperor cloning thing, is pretty huge. And this is a Mandalorian show. Where this will go seems interesting. Maybe The Mandalorian will be the definitive show to fulfill this period, cause it seems Favreau has no intentions to finish it anytime soon.

    After that incredible begining with the ships fight (amazing TIE Interceptors and Bombers) the rest of the chapter could seem cold, but it takes its time to explore a lot of aspects of the world to expand it: The New Republic, the new recruitments, the burocracy (Andor vibes?). In terms of storytelling and editing i would have combined the two story lines (Coruscant and Mandos) but finishing with Mandalorian again makes a circle chapter.

    Cool to explore a lot of aspects of Coruscant.
    Dr. is pretty a naive person.
    Interesting the Bo Katan character hiding Mythosaur information and being redimed. This takes a new direction for her. And she noticed it when other mandos start touching her shoulders again. That's interesting.

    Great music in this chapter.

    I also appreciate there are no awful dialogs, and gags everywhere and big embarrassing moments.

    With The Empire destroying Katan's castle, I can see more clear a conflict/revenge with Mandalore against Empire.
     
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    I really appreciated Pershing's part of the story which shows that the more things change the more they stay the same: the dehumanization of former Imperials (only numbers, they talk to droids instead of humans), the parroted messages, the same Coriscanti elite that serves the New Republic like they served the Empire, the complete conviction that they are doing the right thing even when they are using similar/same methods as the Empire => All of it and more enable Elia Kane to penetrate the New Republic. She must be working for the Remnant and Gideon specifically. Poor Pershing, he was sincere, but now he is mind flayed right into Gideon's hands.

    I will be honest, I hoped for Din to separate himself from the Armorer and her covert, not for Bo Katan to join them. And Paz Vizsla was visibly unhappy with it too. I knew Bo would lie about Mythosaur. Now I can't wait to see how and if all these people get to the same page. But, I don't want the Way of Mandalor to be the way of the zealots. The conflict between the Armorer and Bo Katan is not over and Din will get caught in between.

    The aerial battle over Kalevala was great.

    If I am right, Din becomes the Mandalore by the end of the season 3 while Gideon escapes the New Republic setting up the conflict for season 4 => retaking of Mandalore from the Imperial Remnant. Jon Favreu said that season 3 is sort of a middle chapter in much bigger story, I doubt it will lead to some major resolution.
     
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    The Pershing story felt like an episode of Andor. :)
     
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    So that's our first look at the opera house since the Revenge of the Sith. Did you ever hear the tragedy of Doctor Pershing the curious?

    This was a nice change of pace and it does seem like they're laying the groundwork for what happens in the sequel trilogy.
     
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    Great episode, this. Definitely my favorite of the season, thus far.

    The fighter battle over Kalevala -- (lol, I had forgotten that the planet was named Kalevala! Nice! :cool: ) -- felt very Star Wars'y. Someone has studied Lucas here, with the camera work, the pilots calling over their shoulder to ships behind them (which is so very dumb and so awesomely Star Wars), the action; all of it felt old-school SW.

    (tie) (fighter)

    The Dr. Pershing side-story, the meat of the episode, was great, too. It takes the time to introduce the New Republic and the dismantling of the old ways, by simultaneously baking that into the setting up Moff Gideon's return and the eventual rise of the First Order (one presumes). Fantastic stuff, really! Also, a nice fan service nod to have a scene set by the Umate peak; thanks! :D And all great points, LadyMusashi, about the dehumanizing of the ex-Imps and such; excellent! :)

    As for Elia Kane's scheme, I wonder what's going on there? I mean, one would be shocked if she's not working to free and reestablish Gideon in some way, but how? Ultimately, we'll probably get a rescue mission/prison break down the line (mirroring Andor's 3rd arc/Narkina 5 stuff?), wherein Kane's plans comes together to free Gideon, but... how does Pershing serve those plans? Some ideas:
    --Perhaps Kane is simply working her way up the New Republic hierarchy by playing the more-Roman-than-the-Romans card?
    --Or, perhaps she needs to mindflay Pershing for some specific purpose, for instance to try and find a way to reverse the brain damage in case Gideon has been mindflayed himself?
    --Or, is Kane working for someone even higher up, playing Pershing and possibly even Gideon as pawns to strategically set the proto-First Order up for success?​

    Last thing about the Coruscant stuff: While watching the train-car chase, I wondered why the droid moved so very slowly. Was it just a cool Terminator call back? But no, the droid was obviously instructed to let Kane & Pershing escape, so as to set up his arrest.


    As for the Death Watch coven beats: It was obvious that Bo-Katan would ask or be offered to join the coven since she had bathed in the holy waters. Still, I did not expect this to go the way it did, with both she and Din Djarin just signing up and that's that. Actually, I still don't think that's what's happening... Down the road, Bo-Katan (and Din?) will break with the Death Watch in some climactic way, and she's going to have to swing that Darksaber to prove her right. (Bo-Katan still have the Darksaber, right? I didn't pay attention to that in the episode).


    All in all, this episode was a big, yes! (boba fett)
     
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    I had those vibes too :)

    It was so cool watching the Opera again. Nice PT touch.

    Definetly all the background of Coruscant and Empire was really great. I guess this season will set, as @LadyMusashi said, different fronts and aspects like this to end up in season four in a bigger story.



    In my second viewing I will listen carefuly the music in the scene when Dr. Pershing is about to touch the rock. I had the sensation it was an entire OT theme.

    Also the "It was a trap" moment and the face of that Calamari was priceless.
     
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    BTW... Is Grogu attempting to say "this is the way" when Din and Bo both look back at him? LOL
     
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    "The Convert" was fun, although I do think the Dr. Pershing thing was so tonally different from the rest it didn't mesh totally--sort of like Din in the middle of Book of Boba Fett. :rolleyes: It felt like it could have belonged to another show, like they scavenged pieces of their drafts of Rangers of the New Republic and just stuck it in here. It was interesting that Pershing kept fingering his (restructured?) ear, which Cara Dune accidentally shot off in chapter 16 while killing the Imp pilots.

    On the other hand, Dr. Pershing, like Din, is caught in the middle between two groups (rather like he was when his ear got shot), and he's almost certainly
    one of the titular "converts." And this bit belonged because we know Moff Gideon and most likely the Pershing/cloning subplot will return in this season. Plus we also know that the New Republic is being scorned by a great many people in the galaxy--and, like others said above, we had twins of Imperial processes all over the place: Pershing's cubicle (looking almost exactly like Syril's Andor cubicle), the use of a number instead of Pershing's name, the opera folks who can't tell the difference between the Empire and the NR, the "altered" mind flayer (complete with restraints, of course) that Cara Dune was so afraid of. So we're setting the stage, I suppose, for not only Mando and the Mandoverse stories, but the ST too.

    Anyway, it's interesting that not only is Bo homeless and now taken in to Din's covert like a foundling, but she's keeping the mythosaur secret... The second part I saw coming a mile away but the first, not at all!

    P.S. How did the Armorer get Living Waters for her forge for the earlier episodes? Had she been to the Mines...like before she lived on/got exiled to Concordia?

    P.P.S. How come all those TIE Interceptors were hanging out by Bo's home planet?? Is that an indicator Gideon is there and out for revenge?
     
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    That was really, really good. Someone learned from Andor that you can have a more mature show and still appeal to all.
    TCW: "The Duchess of Mandalore": Monument Plaza:
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    The scene of a clandestine meeting between Obi-Wan and Duchess Satine. So cool.
     
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    There were several in-universe uses of classical OT scores in this one. There was one featured pretty prominently during the party scene (or was it in the Umate scene? I'm already forgetting).

    As for the score reworked for the mind-flayer scene, it was, if I'm not mistaken, one of the background tunes from Jabba's palace (RotJ), weirdly. I can't remember where in the film that piece of music plays, but it is on one of my many RotJ soundtrack CDs, for sure, only here it was a weird, psychadelic techno version instead of the solemn brass band thing playing at Jabba's court.
     
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    No, it's with Din.

    Lol, everyone comparing this episode to Andor. This episode was probably in the can before Andor even found the audience considering post production work The Mandalorian requires. Andor didn't invent darker themes, not even within SW galaxy alone.
     
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    I understand the comparison, but it didn't feel like Andor. Essentially what people are comparing is the scenes from Coruscant. After the PT, Andor and this episode are our extended look at Coruscant in live action.

    It's interesting how some of the citizens of the New Republic are shown. The rich people are so disconnected they don't really care who is running things. I'm curious how that plays out. There's very little reason for that to change even through the sequel trilogy.
     
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    I think in terms of that kind of burocracy and internal affairs of an organization The Mandalorian didn't do that and certainly remembered Andor's treatment.
    Andor show was also in post production a long time ago (3 years in the making, and I think long before TMS3) so maybe, as @Choose Light , TM creators decided to take some of the Rangers show aspects to be introduced here and expand the worldbuilding.

    Certainly seemed from another show. It will be interesting if they will keep with this part of the story or if it was only a introduction to minor plots of DR. Pershing, Gideon and Kane and keep the Mandalorian part as the main plots.
     
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    Since this is directly part of this season's plot I don't see how this could be content that was earmarked for another series.
     
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    I enjoyed the Dr. Pershing thing and get that it is leading to plot but with short seasons I think I would rather see more of the main cast of characters and their story. In a 16 episode season this type diversion would be welcome for sure. Honestly, I wish they would go back to 16 or more episodes.


    I think if anything, she is afraid no one will believe her! She was hoping Din did but nope.
     
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    (dark)I have no interest in Palpatine's weak minded pawn, puking up his opinion to the remnants of the long dead Republic.(dark)



    (boba fett)If u skip all the Pershing talking, walking, getting betrayed and just stick the Mandalorian stuff, the eppy is 10/10.(boba fett)
     
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    Question: Did the eating of the Imperial space biscuit by Elia(whom I could've swore took blaster bolt to the chest in the mando season 2 finale on the bridge) signal that she is still working for the Empire to you?
     
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    I think her wiping the Doctors mind indicated that.
     
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    I don't trust Pershing. I think that "mind warp" is only going to make it worse. There is a reason they showed The Client from S1.
     
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    And after thinking for a while, I am realizing why point of view is everything in narration - it made me feel sorry for a former Nazi doctor. I even said "poor Pershing" in my first comment. That is Mengele-type character who wants to continue his work to "help". Yeah, no... But, because we are in his POV, we see his small, human wants (a yellow cra§ker), struggles with meaningless work, being in awe of Coruscant and making friends, so we feel sorry for him after he is betrayed. We also see mainly bureaucratic side of the New Republic, but noticeably no Mon Mothma or Leia or similar figure. Yeah, POV is everything. And this is also the reason why you should always take the second look. Narrator is not always reliable and sometimes he is Nazi as well.
     
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