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The plot leaked?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Mr Hux, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Mr Hux

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    Yes but not all of them have posted accurate information before.
     
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    It sounds incredibly dull and disappointing. The first half or so was convincing. Also the heroes would seem to be spending the whole movie trying to do what was seemingly already done in TLJ, which is to spark a rebellion through the story of Luke.
     
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    If, hypothetically this was true we wouldn't need to freak out. Excluding episodes 2 and 3 the plot for Star Wars films is usually pretty basic, pointless and takes a back seat to all the stuff going on around it.

    TPM was about the invasion of Naboo
    ANH was to save a princess then destroy an enemy base
    ESB was a character driven film with pretty much no overarching plot objective
    ROTJ was to save Han then destroy an enemy base
    TFA was about finding Luke
    TLJ was about escaping before running out of fuel

    So if I was to say TROS was about broadcasting a message, you'd realise you're not really getting much of the picture.

    It's fake anyway, the galaxy already knows the story of Luke Skywalker, that was the point of TLJ's ending. Plus the recent MSW leaks have pretty much confirmed that, I'd say the stuff about resurrections and force-flash fighting are pretty damn significant "twists and lore shaking revelations".

    But the reason I say this is because when we do find out the plot, or character's motivations I reckon it will at first seem quite underwhelming as well, because based on past evidence they are pretty unimportant to the quality of the film or the set of individual stories they tell along the way. You only have to think back to how basic the leaked TFA plot was and then most of us ended up loving the film when we saw it.
     
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    This alone (to me) is reason to disregard this leak. If we are supposed to take TLJ seriously, then this event has already happened. There'd be absolutely NO point to this plot existing in TROS
     
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    While there have been a COUPLE of leaks from Reddit that we've verified here at SWNN, I personally think that 99.99999999999% of these kinds of things on that site are absolute BS, put there by people that are praying that they might be fractionally right so they can say "Told ya so!!"

    I don't go NEAR that place.
     
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    Imo it could be legit. As for the TFA parts, keep in mind that a lot of ideas that didn't get used for TFA was used for 9 supposedly. I think the art of TFA book will have a lot of clues. Been trying to order it on Amazon but it's out of stock at the moment. I think the meaning of the rise of Skywalker is pretty much this, I think the point JJ was making was that Luke Skywalker was a myth to most of the galaxy & 9 will be about confirming that myth was real.
     
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    I agree. It sounds plausible enough to be real.

    Also, JJ likes to beat the audience over the head with stuff. The ending of TLJ shows the myth spreading...I’m sure that could have sparked the idea of “what if Rey’s mission is to conform the myth?”

    Also, maybe R2 is destroyed or asleep, and they are planet hopping to restore his memories piece by piece to “broadcast” the skywalker story.

    They go to yavin for the rebellion computer, the death star for the empires computer, etc. All to price together r2’s memories of the saga.

    That’s why he isn’t in the trailer.

    Sounds awful, but I wouldn’t put it past them.
     
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    That would leave me depressed and board with SW.
     
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    I believe the 4chan post could be real, but it's just a super cynical telling of it.

    I will admit it sounds very TLJ-like though.. which would be disappointing on some level.
     
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    Has any of the information in the alleged plot leak been contradicted by MSW leaks? I am not the biggest MSW follower around here.
     
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    Well, here's my more in-depth analysis. The important thing, I guess, is that the new Mizzlewump post came the same day as the trailer release and, obviously, after most of the MSW speculation so far...

    "The film is about finding something to stop the First Order." Obviously.

    "If that sounds frustratingly cryptic, that's because the movie itself does not reveal WHAT exactly the crew is after for most of the film." This does echo a previous MSW article. MSW have said Rey has to "figure out what the MacGuffin", also saying: "the MacGuffin isn’t apparent at the start of the film and this is part of how it evolves as the story progresses." So Mizzlewump could simply be cribbing MSW, saying basically the same thing is such a way as to make it sound like it has come from a different source.

    "The Resistance is essentially defeated," You could quite easily make that claim based purely off the events of TLJ. "and Rey has this big idea she claims she got from Luke, justifying it as this big Jedi secret they can't comprehend, and leads them on a quest to get 'the thing'. It's almost immediately apparent that Rey doesn't actually believe what she's selling, though. For most of the film it's a bit like the 'rabbit's foot' from JJ's Mission: Impossible III: A MacGuffin for MacGuffin's sake." This again could mostly be a spin on the MSW speculation referenced above. The notion Rey has got the idea from Luke, and the idea of selling the quest to the gang as a Jedi matter is additional detail though.

    "There's a lot of bouncing from planet to planet, finding clues to the whereabouts of 'the thing', with skirmishes with pirates, aliens, the Knights of Ren and the First Order." Again, much of this is either obvious - we already know there are going to be different planets, and the First Order are obviously going to clash with our heroes - or can be deduced from the trailer coupled with previous MSW leaks. Pirates and aliens are pretty vague terms, and we already knew the Knights of Ren were back from the poster leak and MSW.

    "Hardly any of that matters, and it's the journey that counts. It's like a fun road movie, in space. The core of the film is the bond between the main characters, on a desperate last adventure with no other options - a bit like The Goonies." That's really just opinion, more than information. If we bear in mind JJ has already said the main cast are united for most of this film this time around, then add the fact that they are rumoured to be on a quest in search of some MacGuffin which will take in different planets, it is not a big leap to suggest it might play out like a "road movie in space".

    "The MacGuffin is not the mystical superweapon Rey suggests it is, but rather something she learned about when salvaging junk on Jakku: it's the code base of an old Republic Holonet system, an antenna from the second Death Star and C-3PO." This is probably the most interesting line. I mean, if the mission involves restoring a defunct Republic Holonet system, even if it does not go by that name in the movie, and that Rey had learned about this while on Jakku, you have got to accept Mizzlewump was on to something more than a lucky guess. Using the antenna from the Death Star sets it apart also, although the DS was confirmed as appearing, thanks to the trailer, by the time this was posted. C-3PO being key to the MacGuffin has already being widely speculated by MSW previously: "C-3PO reluctantly has his memory uploaded to Artoo-Detoo which leads to some funny issues for Artoo." [...] "Threepio is pretty important to kicking things off [with regards to understanding the MacGuffin]." [...] "3PO’s memories are part of the evolving MacGuffin in Episode IX... The Tantive IV might be a part of it, that they go to the Tantive IV and dig out fragments of C-3PO’s memory that was wiped which leads them to something else..."

    "The film is essentially about broadcasting the story of Luke Skywalker to everyone in the galaxy." As above, this "leak" pretty much stands or falls on this claim. So far as I know, no-one else, including MSW has narrowed it down to this.

    "There's the typical big space battle and a final showdown with Kylo Ren, but that all goes how you expect." How who expects? I'd say there's a fair split between people who expect Kylo to be redeemed/save the day and those who expect the movie will be about facilitating Rey's rise to Jedi Knight status. Or both. It's getting a bit wishy-washy again now.

    "Even the Palpatine is more of a Kylo-motivating dark side red herring (it's a holocron he discovered years ago, which inspired his fall from the start)." Specific enough to be given credit for if true. Of course, Palpatine had only just been revealed as being back via the trailer. They'd have earned infinitely more kudos for dropping this leak even just 24 hours earlier than they chose to.

    "There aren't any major twists or canon-shaking lore reveals." That seems fair enough to me. As in, Rey is not Luke's daughter, Snoke was not Plagueis, Mace Windu is dead, etc...

    "As far as I can tell, 'The Rise of Skywalker' refers to his name being known everywhere. A speech he recorded addressed to the ordinary people of the galaxy plays over the ending montage which shows Rey training a new generation of Jedi." Also specific enough to validate this, if true. It is worth pointing out though, as I mentioned earlier, even I had begun to wonder if the title of the movie simply referred to a bid to "restore the Skywalker legend". Given the way the MSW speculation is leaning (ie revisiting something important from the past/3PO's memories) and some of the icons and imagery confirmed to be returning - Luke's Yavin medal, the second Death Star, Palpatine, The Tantive IV (or at least a similar Blockade Runner), it is not a massive conclusion to jump to that events from Luke's past are somehow key to the events of this movie also...


    So, I'd say much of this "matches up with" MSW speculation - this may, of course, be because it is purely derivative of it.
    A lot of it is just common sense and could be deduced from the trailer/official information.
    But I'd say none of it outright contradicts MSW in a big way, which may or may not be a reason to buy this, depending on your point of view...
     
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    You know I've always assumed the C3P0 maguffin related to his memories pre-Episode 1. Because him and R2 have basically the same memories aside from Anakin's construction of him.

    I thought it would have to do with Anakin's conception/childhood/ Shimi Skywalker. Maybe the idea that as a child Palpatine would check in on him from time to time clad as a hooded traveler and thus reveal it was Palps who made Anakin...Thats always and remains my guess about 3p0 and the Skywalker family saga.
     
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