SPECULATION The Return of the Jedi Order

part of the reason the Samurai and the Templars are regarded with romanticism is that they represent an idealism that transcends their political agendas (the Templars, in actuality, did some pretty despicable things and i don't wonder if the Samurai were likewise every bit as fallible).

so too, the Jedi.

with only Luke to speak for them and him being mysterious and detached from the world, this would be the galaxy's most exclusive club, it seems.

 

Without the jedis there can't be balance in the Force. I think this says it all.

 

Most galactic citizens would look at it this way: An order of super-powered warriors is going to start policing the galaxy and taking down anything they don't like in it. The most recent example of something like this that they would remember should be Vader and his Inquisitors. Not a very promising start. Of course, as time went by, and provided Luke and his new school did a good job as galactic defenders, people's trust could be gained.
It is all quite relative, though. Luke may have decided that the Order's numbers were simply not enough to do police work, so he would train Jedi in a spiritual manner only, making the crowds see them only as secluded monks.
It is worthwile to mention that the Jedi would initially serve a single planet (probably the Republic's current capital) before gaining the numbers to expand, thus not meaning much to the more "far-away" systems.

 

Agree with what you say that the victors will define their official version of historic events. Agree with @Dork Lord of the Bith that for starters, Luke might have decided to set the order in their minimal expression, as spiritual monks living on a secluded way.

 

The question would require that we know the stories that are told of the Jedi. Are they portrayed like warrior monks or are they portrayed like the Illuminati? Noble, or evil. Obviously that would determine what my answer would be.

 

Says the Jedi and their sympathisers!

Interesting topic though. The Jedi were gatekeepers to a vast store of knowledge amassed over centuries with an apparant monopoly on training and mass institutionalised indoctrination system. At least adherents seemed to retain the freedom to leave at any stage.

It would seem a Force sensitive individual like Rey who wants to further their Force understanding and skills in any safe and meaningful way has little choice but to submit to whatever hierarchy and ideology is on offer.

The budding Force sensitive individual would face limited alternatives: Practice alone? Seek a rogue apprenticeship or an exotic indigenous Force culture willing to share their techniques?

 

The Samurai were just as bad as the Templars. Over time the Samurai became wealthy landlords similar in power to the ruling aristocrats. They supervised the local population and were in charge of vital supplies such as rice production. Remember, feudal Japan was very militaristic and one could not change position in the clan's village. There were three camps: the peasant, the merchant and the samurai. If you changed rank you could be exiled, if the village concealed you they would all be punished as well. If a peasant becomes a merchant or artisan, same thing. If a military man deserts their post, the whole village will be punished and the one responsible for his escape decapitated if found to be purposefully negligent. Yeah, no military order has a clean history.

The same can be said for the Jedi Order. No matter their original intentions, they will always inevitably get pulled into governmental conflict and placed in positions of power. The fact that the reclusive cult is highly secretive and spends most of their time away from the public means that they lose to the public either way. Too much interaction and they are interfering, too little contact and people are mistrustful due to them being outsiders. The people would only truly trust the Jedi if they released something like special information knowledge to the public. The problem however is that the knowledge housed in the Jedi's archives are too dangerous for the public. No matter what the Jedi do, they will never win over the public.

Jedi cannot remain "neutral" so long as one faction is supported by a rogue force wielder.

 

I think as long as a new order would stay focused on collecting knowledge and practicing and developing medidation techniques they will get no troubles with acceptence. Problems start with involvements in political conflict zones. And the ability to defend themselves should not automatically result in clone wars like structures; armed troopers with "Jedi Generals" as their leaders. If they are able to establish places of knowledge that are open to whomever needs advice concerning ethics and spiritual knowledge they will achieve acceptence. The more they openly demonstrate power and send "armed peacekeepers" all over the galaxy again they will get "fans" and "oponents" like in their past.

 

That's the thing though. The Jedi are meant to be independent diplomats sent to resolve conflict, however that very purpose strips them of their independence as well.

 

I think most would believe Luke Skywalker existed, as many of the citizens and leaders of the New Republic served beside Luke Skywalker, who was able to do what no man should be able to do with his Jedi powers. I do not think much information of the prequel Jedi Order would be left, and all the information about it would be hear-say. And considering how the New Republic in the book "Bloodline" regard the Galactic Republic as a failed state on both sides of the aisle, they will believe the ancient Order's arrogance and destruction was a result of the Galactic Republic's failure and Palpatine's machinations. To be fair though, even in the time of the Galactic Republic, meeting a Jedi was a rare occurrence. It was a one in a billion shot. Force-sensitivity is extremely rare. I would say... big supports of the Republic, the Core Worlds, believe in the Jedi Order, the mid-rim, half and half, some believe that the Jedi existed, others believe it to be fable, and in the Outer Rim (which the Jedi admittedly barely interacted with in the time of the Galactic Republic due to the bureaucracy of the Senate), barely believed they existed in the first place.

 

I think that the source of the jedi and sith and all might be convoluted but it should be as simple as jedi are good and sith ar bad but they all adhere to the same principles as the force
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As long as the force exists, the jedi order will as well.

 

True and wise words from a real believer

But perhaps they should not sit on the same planet as the political leaders like it was in coruscant.

 

Thanks & agreed on relocation plan, next stop Tython.

 

thanks Alex! not a history i am familiar with, so i'm glad someone knows. i would have assumed as much as power often corrupts.

i think this is exactly why Luke has separated himself from the New Republic and why his efforts to raise the new Jedi were never so public; just quietly doing his own work with his "acolytes" and minding his own business.

 

Yes, and that was not the wrong strategy. It reminds me of Eragons strategy for the next generation of dragon riders. Advicing pupils at a lonesome place out of reach and sending them to their former home bases when they are ready.

 

Eragon's not the brightest lad though . If I were Luke and I met him, I wouldn't take his advice too seriously.

 

"For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic. Before the dark times...before the Empire".

I have no reason not to take this as literally as Kenobi meant it.
Sure, the Jedi made mistakes and became arrogant but that comes with facing no real opponent for a millennia and getting to intertwined with politics.
But still, the Jedi were a good bunch and sacrificed their lives for the greater good.
It was only 60 years ago that they were in their heyday so I find the notion about them being a "myth" slightly odd.
Sure the Empire might've tried to erase their ways from history but it's a big galaxy - there must be some video evidence somewhere! And most people would remember that times under the Jedi were pretty good (especially compared with times under the Empire).
And if Luke did try and create something different, it doesn't look like it worked out too well.

Sometimes the old ways are best.

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

 

I like the idea of the Jedi, Templar and Samarai comparison, what the Jedi order brought was a level of personal skill to a craft, like with the Samarai and Templars.
As blaster/guns were Brough in that personal skill with a weapon was kind of lost and with it the revered swords man, which lends it self perfectly to tales of heroes, like in Star Wars.
Well there is maybe the exception of the Wild West gun slingers that follow similar dedication to a weapon.