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SPECULATION Themes Introduced in Episode VII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Hermann22, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. Hermann22

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    Obviously, what makes the wait for Episode VII so much fun is the speculating that comes with it and all the guessing. My LAWD...it is so much fun.

    With some help from wikipedia and my own thoughts I wanted start a discussion and share what we all might think the overall themes might be introduced in Episode VII:

    The following is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy

    1. - The main theme of the trilogy would be moral and philosophical problems, such as the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned (Lucas in 1983 and 1989).

    My thoughts: I think this is a pretty big hint. All the rumors that are going around of a "Cold War' between the Rebels and the remaining Empire and Stormtroopers going rouge (Boyega) point to this.

    2. - "It's like a saga, the story of a group of people, a family" (Lucas in 1980)

    My thoughts: Lucas said it before in other interviews how the saga is about the Skywalker family. Don't think that's going to change. There HAS to be a protagonist that is from that family line.

    3. - The trilogy would deal with the rebuilding of the Republic (Lucas in 1980)

    My thoughts: I found it hard to believe that the Republic wouldn't be established again, but from all the reports...it sounds like it's not going to happen. I am starting to believe that the Republic won't be established until either the end of VII or IX.

    Here are some of my own guesses on themes and story lines that will be introduced in Episode VII:

    Feeling betrayed by the ones you love most:
    Adam Driver- "...what has made those movies last so long is that they’re all grounded, which is something that is not so far off from every movie with huge universal themes of siblings and parents and betrayal and trust. That’s so generic and obvious, but it’s hard to balance those things. When you break all of those things down, really it’s just because someone wasn’t loved enough or felt betrayed."

    I have gone to twitter....to my friends...and I DO NOT think we are talking about this quote ENOUGH. I think Driver drops some HUGE story points. I've thought Driver was a Solo kid for awhile now. Along with him being a bad guy based on the fact Variety reported him as one when he was first reported as being cast. If not him...somebody related to Luke/Han/Leia is going to feel betrayed by them and not loved enough. I've had great discussions with my friends on if those themes Driver talks about were in EITHER trilogy. IMO I don't think so. I feel this is tied directly into his character. Why else would HE HIMSELF bring it up when the question asked by EW was "Is there a sense of wonder that comes with being on that set? J.J. has shown us that there are actual spaceships there, not just green screen visual effects" ? Because it's tied directly to his character in Episode VII.

    Fear in what you could create/become:
    I have to steal this from a good friend of mine when we were digging deep in speculation for Episode VII over the phone. my friend said this "Think about it...if you were Luke Skywalker wouldn't you be afraid to create the next Darth Vader?" With all the reports of Luke missing for 10+ years...all signs are pointing to not many Jedi have been trained. If so...why? I refuse to believe Luke has been in a prison for 30 years that prevents him to train others. I think he's afraid of someone turning to the dark side.

    Would love to hear what you all think!
     
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    Really cool and well thought out article man. You did your homework. Keep up the good work(yoda)
     
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    You read into Driver's comments really well and I think you may be on to something. I still think Driver is separate from the Skywalker and Solo clan but you darn well almost convinced me to reverse my opinion. Almost :D
     
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    If he's a solo kid or not....those themes he brings up ARE NOT a part of any trilogy so far. Plus, there HAS to be offspring of some sort in the ST
     
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    Oh I have no doubt that there will be offspring in this trilogy but I am placing every dime I own that it is Daisy who will be our Solo-Skywalker kid.
     
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    I think she is too...I just think Driver is her brother.

    Now...before I hear "THAT'S JACEN AND JAINA" I don't think they will be named that or they will be twins. Think Adam will the older brother that left early in Ridley's life where she had fond memories of him as a child, but that's it. She hasn't seen him in since she was very young.

    Maybe Han and Leia tell her he died. From a certain point of view. ;-)
     
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    Don't forget it's a JJ film and he loves to toy with his fans leading them astray.
    For all we know the actors may be singing to his tune and deliberately throw everyone off.

    I imagine the new trilogy will uphold much of the OT "coming of age" elements and classical myth adventure
    with a modern sensibilities.
     
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    We will see the rebirth of the Jedi and the Republic. That is the arc of the trilogy, or at least what Ep7 is setting up. Drivers comments are interesting and you did a great job breaking them down. Although he is the villain of Ep7, people might actually feel bad for him by the end, because he is so misguided.

    I think a huge theme will be resolving the feeling of how lost everyone feels, especially the big three. By the end of the film there will be a clear role for everyone left standing to go up against the evil that emerges.
     
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    Always thought an important plot point would be Luke Skywalker struggling with his responsibility as the last of the Jedi versus his fears of the Dark Side. And then along comes the sequel trilogy and he will be forced to make a choice - either continue to deny his heritage, or face up to it and start training those who have the potential (against whatever threat comes his way).
     
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    What do you think of Pip Andersen being one of their children? Watching his Parkour video made me think jedi. He must have some kind of force powers, although he isn't a main actor. I could see him being a younger brother to Driver and Ridley.
     
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    I don't mind Driver in the film or even becoming the bad guy if this is the case BUT I don't want him to be a Solo. Using the "Solo son falls to the dark side" plotline is lifted straight from mediocre EU. IF I wanted to read that story I can just buy the book. I'm sure they're dirt cheap on Ebay now. :p
     
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    I personally enjoyed the whole "Legacy Of The Force" ark in the EU. Sure it felt a bit too dark at times but Jacen's transformation was far more convincing. But you're right, I don't think I'd like to see that re-hashed for the big screen.
     
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    I totally understand what you are saying...and I thought the same thing...but from all that I heard from legit sites, random rumors and Drivers own mouth...I just don't see the emotional aspect without it dealing with family. Even the PT was centered around Anakin's fear of losing his family. Variety confirming he's the "Darth Vader type villain" and his quote convinced me he's the one.

    Family is what makes the Star Wars Saga go and its the emotional drama/conflict that makes it unique. I certainly think someone from the solo/Skywalker line is going to the dark side or going to waver on the line.
     
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    It's possible, but I don't think so. He could he be a Jedi Hunter or a Jedi IMO
     
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    Agree much. Makes little sense to add Pip wayyy after production if he's an all-important Solo/Skywalker.

    I have a different suspicion about a Solo son.
     
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    Do tell!!!!! Isaacs?
     
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    I would love if the ST had the new characters (and in some respects Luke & Leia too) all distancing themselves from the Jedi Philosophy because of what happened in the past 6 movies. What if the Solo kids don't embrace being Jedi because they are embarrassed about their grandfather? What if Leia never accepted Darth Vader being her father? What if Luke essentially rode to the mountain top all by himself, and what was there for him after that?

    It will be a huge right cross to all of us if we were sitting in the movie theater finally witnessing the ST after all these years, and all of the characters are dissing everything we watched since 1977! What will make it is interesting is all of these characters (Luke, Leia, Han and their possible kids) will all have to except their roles again to defend the galaxy from the newer threat, but they won't be those 100% good guys we last saw in 1983. In a sense, the OT & in some respects the PT, took its toll on these characters, and now we finally get to see the scars.

    Hope this makes sense?
     
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    I've been thinking for a long time now that adoption/family can be a family without blood relation for some reason. I have no facts to back this up...just my "speculation sense" :)
     
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    Yes, It's an equation that is the sum of its parts....it'll carry through because it's an equation that is proven. We'll see in what direction it travels....but you may have something. :) Good post.
     
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