Theory Thread

Great thread - this is fun in the final run up to the movie being released.

I've got loads of "theories", obviously a lot of them informed by those who have probably risked their livelihoods to bring Star Wars spoilers to the world, including the great people behind this site - so hats off to you all.

Here goes:

1) The movie will open by panning, in whichever direction is appropriate, from the opening crawl to a Star Destroyer, in time-honoured OT tradition - The Finalizer above Jakku. The next shot will be Finn and his comrades lining up in the troop transporter to depart for the planet's surface.
2) We will then cut to Jakku itself. Poe is already inside the dwelling of village elder Lor San Tekka. The first words in the movie will be spoken by Tekka. Luke Skywalker's lightsaber, formerly belonging to Anakin Skywalker, will be in his possession. It has become an item coveted by the First Order, more specifically by Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren in their quest to kill Skywalker and end the Jedi line forever. Tekka wishes to deliver this saber to the Resistance against the First Order, along with an important message.
3) We all know about the battle at the village. At some point Finn, still not revealed to the audience explicitly, will be ordered to fire upon innocent villagers. He will refuse to do so, and he will later be requested to submit his weapon for inspection, because of his inability to fire when as instructed by Captain Phasma.
4) Rey was abandoned on Jakku by her parents, and she has lived in hope of them one day returning to collect her. Her parents are not relevant to this movie and are not seen onscreen at any point.
5) At some point, Rey's actions will alert the attentions of Constable Zuvio.
6) Finn will ask Poe if he thinks he can fly a First Order craft, he will boast "I can fly anything..."
7) Poe will have vanished when Finn returns to the crashed TIE, leaving only his jacket.
8) The thugs who confront Rey in the market are hoping to steal BB-8.
9) Rey does not want to get involved in Finn's "situation" at first, but when she realises how much trouble he is in, and that BB-8 may also be involved, she takes the lead. This is when she says "follow me".
10) The Falcon is owned by KanjiKlub. Solo was just about to negotiate a deal with the Guavian Gang to trade the Falcon in and claim ownership of it again. Rey and Finn taking the Falcon screws that deal up, but Solo ends up with the Falcon anyway because of their actions.
11) Finn's backstory is important. His reasons for joining - and leaving - the First Order will become evident.
12) The First Order are all very much based on the remnants of the Empire and those who followed the exploits of the galactic civil war, including Kylo Ren himself - their leader, Snoke, however, is not necessarily "of this galaxy", his interest in affairs is purely informed by his connection to the Force. He is not Darth Vegas, he is an entirely new character.
13) Maz Kanata is pirate through and trough. It is in this capacity she is seen as a mentor for Solo. She does, however, have a gift. Just as the eyes of others reveal much about their very essence to Maz; so her own eyes can see things others cannot, even in simple objects. By gazing upon Skywalker's lightsaber she is able to reveal much about its history and Skywalker himself.
14) We will revisit the duel on Bespin once again onscreen as we are shown the lineage of the Skywalker saber.
15) Rey is outwardly strong, but has little sense of self worth. Finn is desperate to find a cause and do the right thing, but feel his actions and choices have let him down. He is afraid of what he has become involved in.
16) Rey's staff has no special properties - it is just a staff. She is pretty handy with it though. Once Solo hands her a blaster on arriving Takodana, we will not see her staff again.
17) Kylo Ren senses great power in Rey. He believes the awakening in the Force his master speaks of is embodied in Rey, but he cannot accept someone so insignificant could be so important. He invites her to join him in his quest to destroy the last Jedi.
18) Solo infiltrates the Starkiller Base by coming out of hyperspace right inside the planet's atmosphere.
19) The yellow structure Finn is seen entering in the trailer is part of, or is related to, Starkiller Base, it is not a spacecraft.
20) Han Solo is killed by Kylo Ren.
21) Finn chooses to take a stand against Kylo Ren; technically he could run, but he wants to face him.
22) Finn is injured and Rey duels Kylo Ren. She is able to come out on top in the duel. In the shot from the trailer where she is weeping over the injured Finn, it is the arrival of Chewbacca in the Millennium Falcon illuminating her face. Not Luke's ghost.
23) Finn does not train to become a Jedi, at least the subject of him being trained is not brought up at the movie's climax.
24) Rey meets Luke Skywalker at the end of the movie to begin her Jedi training. Maz knew all along this was her destiny. This is, technically, Luke's only appearance within the timeframe of this movie.

I'll be back on the 17th to laugh at all of these...

 

I think someone posted on here a while back that there was a throwaway line about there being A New Republic a while back .

 

Theory: everything in the awful MSW outline is true. Especially Luke only being in the film for two seconds, doing nothing, no green lightsaber, and no interaction between Luke, Han, and Leia.

 

I thought the idea was that there is a new republic and they signed a treaty that stated they wouldn't go after the FO. There would be a ceasefire. Leia rejected this and knew the FO would attack and created the resistance...

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I don't buy the Snoke is from another galaxy idea. That's, well uh, a little bit out of this world.

Didn't Serkis say he's been around or something? Unless when he said he has been through some stuff, maybe he meant wormholes?

 

That does sound very plausible. She might have founded it like Padme and Mon Mota do in ROTS, except it's with the good guys. However, A New Repiblic signing a treaty with The FO is like The UN signing a treaty with North Korea .

 

They did sign a deal with North Korea though... so it kind of makes sense

 

-Finn becomes a jed before Rey and she is the non-force user and the Han of this new triology

 

I can almost guarantee Luke will definitely be in this movie for more than two seconds.








He will not interact with Han or Leia...

I was trying to be careful with my wording.
I will qualify "not necessarily of this galaxy" with "he is not from the same place as the people who comprise the First Order, as a whole - he is very much on the fringes and has not been involved in the affairs of the galaxy far, far away, as we know it, thus far".
From closer to what we will call the "Starkiller Origin", shall we say. They came to him, he didn't come to them.

 

Very long shot: Snoke is a Rakata, which justifies the inclusion of Rakata Prime in the recently released galaxy map and opens up interesting possibilities to link the sequel trilogy with the old republic era.

Or he's not. Which is probably much more likely. Carry on.

 

With Kylo's mask I'm beginning to suspect that the writers are big Kotor fans.

 

I don't see them putting outright KOTOR in the films...

 

Well, there's nothing wrong in appreciating a good story!

 

- Rey is crying over MVS character after Kylo amd FO leave Jakku
- Luke DOES interact with Han and Leia-this might be in flashback at beginning or Maz's vision
- no lightsaber floating in space
-Bespin dual flashback
- Rey is Lukes daughter
-Kylo is not a Skywalker/Solo
-The FO is weakened so much by losing Starkiller they become a "Remnant" in Ep8-This is their battle of Endor moment not Yavin.
-Han DOES not die-though it looks like he might be dead to, our heroes.
- Finn does not loose a appendage to Kylo but suffers Obi-Wan style wounds like Dooku gave to him in EP2
-Luke kills a few KoR-probably in flashback
- big twist is Lukes wife is revealed after Rey meets Luke-we won't see her only hear her voice last 2 seconds.
-Snoke is not as important as Palpatine was, tho his character is cool-Snoke is like Sauron, big evil entity with dialog but no action scenes the KoR will be his muscle similar to Saurons Ring Wraiths.
-some of Mazs pirates live on for Ep8
-Finn parents are not important and no background story, but he will train to be a Jedi

I know most of these go against MSW and popular plot ideas. I have pletny of Heinz-57 and Garlic pepper ready to eat crow.

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Snoke is the one and done Villain. He is a really cool character he will be creepy and memorable but Ren will off him in an intense force fueled temper tantrum. No one wanting their skulls force crushed will get in line. Snoke is not the big bad of the trilogy Kylo is.

 

lol

 

• Kylo Ren and Rey are twins. They were both abandoned at a young age, and one of them took this grievance to extreme measures.
• Snoke was involved in the events of the OT(to what extent, I am still unsure about)
• Snoke's leadership becomes contested by one of his "commanders" and either Kylo or General Hux will turn on him.
• Snoke's plan is to use Kylo to take Rey and lure Luke out of seclusion.
• Luke has been in seclusion in his journey to reach his ultimate potential as a Jedi. He knew a day like this would come when something would awaken, just as Snoke did(the awakening is Rey's spark in The Resistance)
• Luke will have fairly minimal screen time, but will have one scene showing his immense power.
• The very end of the movie will hint to Luke rebuilding the Jedi order, starting with Rey

 

Luke is somehow on an island on the same planet as starkiller base

 

WUT

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With that line of thinking, I can see Hux and Kylo teaming up against Snoke, with Hux dealing with the political side and Kylo Ren dealing with The militaristic side, while Phasma, being a straight-,indeed military person, sides to Snoke .

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lol .

 

OK HERE GOES:
1. Rey is not related to ANYONE from the OT.
2. Finn is not related to ANYONE from the OT.
3. Kylo is NOT related to ANYONE from the OT.
4. Kylo is just a Vader fanboy who learned everything through Snoke.
5. Luke is the one who "damaged" Snoke, that's the reason he warns Kylo.
6. Han does NOT DIE in episode 7, but possibly Ep.8, just to keep Harrison happy!!
7. AND I HOPE I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS: Finn gives the lightsaber to Rey because he's just not that good at it.

 

Theories for the new trilogy as a whole:
1: The conversation about the awakening takes place at the end of Ep. VII after Luke has been found. Due to Snoke having fought Luke once before (his damage came from this battle), he sends Kylo to seek out the other Knights of Ren (I think that they might have scattered after destroying Luke's academy, so their presence could not be detected by Luke. just as Luke and Leia were separated to keep them hidden from the Emperor, the Knights scattered to hide from Luke), and he tells him that to face this great test, he will need the combined strength of all seven of the Knights to defeat Luke.
2: Snoke will be manipulative of Kylo and make him believe Vader is speaking to him from beyond death and pushing him to find Luke and either kill him or turn him.
3: Han or Chewie will die, but only one of them will kick the bucket, not both.
4: Snoke is not Plagueis, but seeing as how he "knows" about everything from the past films and stories, he will mention him in some way.
5: The new female lead that was being sought for Ep. VIII will be a sister of one of the new characters, or related to another character who we knew from the OT (possibly related to Lando).
6: Phasma could be part of the Tarkin lineage.
7: Lor San Tekka will play a larger part in Ep. VIII or IX if he is not murdered by Kylo as rumors have said.
8: The Resistance will be destroyed in Ep. VIII.
9: General Leia will die in Ep. VIII.
10: Starkiller Base will NOT be destroyed in Ep. VII, only deactivated for a short period of time.
11: Luke, Rey, and possibly more Jedi, could face off against the KoR in Ep. VIII and kill all of them except for Kylo.
12: Benicio Del Toro will be a Thrawn-like character, but not Thrawn himself, and will replace General Hux if Hux dies in Ep. VII
13: Rey will either inherit the blue lightsaber, or build a double-bladed lightsaber.
14: Luke speaks with Yoda in Ep. VIII asking for information on Snoke's power, but Yoda will turn him away and say something wise that convinces Luke to discover Snoke's power for himself.
15: Phasma and Del Toro's character will be killed in a Star Destroyer's destruction in Ep. VIII or IX
16: C-3PO, R2-D2, Chewie, Lando and Luke will be the only OT characters left alive at the end of the trilogy.
17: Luke and Rey will convince Kylo to give up the Dark Side and Luke will reveal Vader's redemption to him, showing him the error of his ways.
18: Luke, Rey and Kylo will fight Snoke in Ep. IX.
19: Luke or Kylo will die protecting one of the three mentioned in #18.
20: Rey will be Luke's child, Kylo and the new female lead in Ep. VIII will be Han and Leia's children, and Finn will be related to Lando in some way.