TLJ In Relation to Other Canon Stories

What does it contradict?

 

For all we know Luke told Ben before it was revealed in the Senate. TLJ shows the final moment between Luke and Ben. It's not about the years it took to get to that moment.

 

Based on the darkness we've seen from Kylo Ren are we surprised that Luke had a Mace Windu moment?

 

Before TLJ hit theaters I thought Ben Solo turned on his uncle because he found out that everyone lied to him. He learned the truth about his grandfather being Darth Vader. Bloodlines further confirmed this, but then TLJ tells us that Ben turned because of Luke trying to kill him.

Yeah, we don't know the full truth and there are still stories coming. But it's kinda contradicting IMO.

 

Just because something didn't happen the way you thought doesn't mean it's a contradiction.

 

You didn't get my statement. In Bloodline it's heavily implied that Ben turned because of the reveal of Darth Vader being is grandfather. Rian never mentioned this in his movie and made something completely new.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I like the TLJ reason too.

 

Ben hasn't turned yet in Bloodline. How can it be implied?

 

There are still so many stories left to be told. TLJ dealt with what was happening at that particularly moment with only one brief glimpse back into the past. We will eventually get the full story of Ben's training & downfall, Snoke's backstory, and many others. TLJ didn't need to address all of this. The movie has some legitimate flaws but I don't think contradiction with canon is one of them.

 

You can like a film very much of course but it wouldnt surprise me if DailyPlunge is one of Iger's servants.

 

I interpreted it as, the reveal started him towards the dark side, allowed Snoke to fully influence him, and then when Luke thought about killing him that just tipped him over and him go overtly dark.

 

Didn't the spiral start even before he was born?

Leia sensed Snoke trying to get to Ben even when he was in her womb, right?

Confusing.

 

This exactly. Remember Luke says "Snoke had already turned his heart". Probably using the Vader info and the lure of becoming powerful like his Grandfather.
Add to that Luke sensing this in his training, then seeing nothing but darkness when he looked into his nephew. Luke had a moment of weakness and was about to Mace Windu him. But Luke stopped himself too late. Ben saw his uncle with saber raised, and that just set off the ticking time bomb.

So in many ways Luke's moment of weakness had HUGE repercussions on the galaxy, which is why he went into exile. Not only did his nephew fully turn, but he murdered innocent Jedi students and help Snoke destroy the Republic. Although I don't think Kylo Ren is that big a factor in the FO. Hux built Starkiller and the FO army so the Republic was doomed no matter what happened to Ben Solo.

 

I didn't get that from Bloodline at all. I mean your could speculate about it, but the book don't imply that.

Luke's arc is about learning from failure. Instead of learning from his failure with Ben he went to hide. Pass on what you have learned is the lesson.