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Was Exegol in the Jedi Archive?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SegNerd, Feb 15, 2024.

  1. SegNerd

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    It seems to be that there is a potential contradiction with the idea of Exegol being a hidden, unknown planet. In AOTC, we learned that the Jedi had a complete map of the entire galaxy, with every planet. So couldn’t Ben have just checked the map and flown there? Why didn’t the PT Jedi make any effort to investigate Exegol?

    I’ve tried to look at this a few different ways, but they all seem problematic to me:

    1. Exegol was never in the archive. The Jedi were wrong.
    Although this does explain the issue pretty easily, the Jedi seemed confident their map was complete, and they would have been right about that, if the data hadn’t been sabotaged. If it turns out that they never had a complete map and just claimed they did anyway, IMO that makes the Jedi look stupid.

    2. Exegol was in the archive, but it was deleted like Kamino.
    I would hope the Jedi launched at least some investigation after the first erasure incident. If they really fell for the same trick twice, that makes the Jedi look stupid.

    3. The Empire destroyed the Jedi Archives.
    I think it has been confirmed that the Empire destroyed the archive, and that almost answers the question. But the problem is that the map would be a very valuable piece of information for anyone. It makes sense that the Empire would destroy all the public-facing info, but wouldn’t they have made a copy of the map and kept it secretly (which could then have been passed on to the First Order)? If the Empire really destroyed something so valuable without making a copy for themselves, that makes the Empire look stupid. It also doesn’t explain why the PT Jedi never investigated Exegol.

    4. Navigating to Exegol is more complicated than just knowing the location.
    Maybe they did always know the location of Exegol, but it is still hard to get there - like maybe it is surrounded by some sort of maze or forcefield. This would sort of make sense, but if it is true, I feel like it needed to be stated explicitly in TROS.

    What do you think?
     
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    This is absolutely at least part of the answer and it is in Canon. It's discussed in some detail in Shadow of the Sith. It is described as a honeycomb-like void surrounding the planet.

    I would probably also say there are other factors, and the whole thing about the ancient forbidden text of the Sith that was an issue in the movie was probably enough explanation for casual viewers.
     
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    The Jedi can consider the Sith extinct for a thousand years and then conclude that they have returned in the space of one afternoon when they run into a guy with a red lightsaber. The Jedi and the Senate can somehow develop a blind spot to an entire planet housing the best and most sought after cloners in the galaxy for ten years. (That one is seriously questionable though)

    In the context of prior revelations and plot excuses, I think a Sith homeworld hidden in an area of the universe that nobody in the GFFA has any business in and remaining unknown for millennia is relatively reasonable.

    Nobody in the Alliance seemed to know or care about the native culture on Endor, the planet they were just about to wage war on. They didn't bother to find out if they might be hostile to Rebels conducting operations in their home. Or if they were partisans who might ally themselves with the Rebel cause and join forces against the occupiers.

    The point is that adventure serials need to have blind corners. Pianos and pretty girls need to fall out of the sky now and then, and rugs need to be pulled from under our feet every once in a while to maintain a sense of surprise and wonder. And if you are wondering for a long time afterwards "how come?", it's not the first time and it certainly won't be the last.
     
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    Let's just say the Jedi's Sith expertise is questionable at best.
     
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    That's a problem because...?
     
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    Yet another log on the fire of the Jedi's arrogance and head-in-the-sand deference that was their downfall.

    I do hope that all of these examples of the Order's failures and errors in judgement are going to be used well in showing the rebuilding of the Jedi in some form, otherwise it's starting to feel like an unnecessary piling on of criticism. We spent 20 or so years thinking the Jedi were noble and wise heroes of the Galaxy and since then it's been a death of a thousand cuts as we have been shown their downfall.
     
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