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What sets The Mandalorian apart from other SW live-action content??

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Darth Derringer, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. Darth Derringer

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    Everybody's first response to my question has got to be: "Duh. Baby Yoda, right?" :)

    But I'd like to discuss a more fundamental way The Mandalorian has set itself apart from the other live-action SW content that have followed it -- as well as fantasy/sci-fi shows in general. The answer? It's its "Flash Gordon-ish, brand-new adventure each week, kids!) episodic structure.

    In the two seasons of Mando, we've gotten 16 distinct stories linked together by a common narrative thread (in Season 2 it was finding a Jedi for Grogu.) Compare that to Boba Fett and Obi-wan shows where the showrunners were essentially telling one big story in individual installments. I would argue that its 'new adventure a week' format works for SW much better than one long narrative. It reminds me of the original Star Trek and its follow-up, STTNG. Most of the time, those shows gave fans self-contained stories too.

    Once upon a time, 99% of network television followed the same formula but as streaming services like Netflix grew more popular, we started seeing a shift in the story-telling. The shift was particularly compelling for dramatic series, be it series like Game of Thrones or Better Call Saul. As a result, today's conventional wisdom has become that episodic TV shows are 'old fashioned.'

    One of the things I'm hearing about Mando Season 3 is that it's 'more complex' and 'darker' -- which sounds incredibly cool to me. But I'm hoping the show begin slipping into 'one big season story told in eight parts' mode. I am hoping Favreau and Filoni can somehow balance an overarching storyline while continuing to give us compelling individual stories.

    Maybe that's too much to ask for -- but I hope we see it.
     
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    the episodic nature of mando is neat, but I also like the more longer format story style. I think episodic works better with mando with having a few more episodes per season. But I like that we have both styles.

    Hopefully they strike a good balance going forward. Both, i feel, have their strengths.
     
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    The episodic style or "the monster of the week" style starts to bore me. Yes, there are a few series which work better with that formula, for example Supernatural or X-Files.

    But for the SW live action series this style is not for me. The first season of 'The Mandalorian' was kinda good because it was focused and tight. In the second season we went from episodes to episodes in which nothing really happened. It was honestly a waste of time.

    In the Kenobi show episode 4 was the least liked episode because it was pretty much a filler or a "the monster of the week" episode. Nothing really important happened. I personally would even add episode 3 and 5 to that list. You only needed the first two and the last episode. These three episodes told one big story.

    Which show is the most successful at the moment? Stranger Things. This show tells a straight forward story. I prefer my shows to be like that.

    To answer your question though- "What sets The Mandalorian apart from other SW live-action content?"
    Well, 'The Mandalorian' was the first live action series, which in a way felt fresh and unique. But that only counts for the first season. Other than that there is not much difference between the shows. They all feel like they have potential which isn't used properly and thus feel like a missed opportunity.

    There is still a series to come which clicks with me. Maybe it's Andor or maybe it's Acolyte. I will see.
     
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    To each his/her own I guess. One of the beauties of the the episodic approach with a space opera like the Mandalorian is that the Volume allows Favreau the opportunity to give us 'exciting new worlds' with each new episode without breaking the show's TV budget.
    ....a waste of time??!? Yikes! Given that I consider Season 2 of The Mandalorian to be among a handful of The Greatest Seasons of a TV Series of All Time, I guess we kind of disagree on this one. :)

    Each episode of Season 2 featured the visual treat of at least one fantastic, new planet, fun characters, and an engaging adventure story with its own unique style. For a Star Wars junkie like me, it doesn't get any better than that.
     
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    To me this show's greatest strength is its titular character. The Mandalorian, Din Djarin, is one of few recent new characters to seemingly be accepted by fans both new and old right out of the gate.
     
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    The score.
     
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    I was more than a little surprised when I learned that the main character was a man of few words who wouldn't remove his helmet. I thought, 'Geez, you've got a talented actor inside that helmet and you're going to HIDE his face??!?' But Favreau made it work.

    But two seasons in, I've been impressed with how much emotion Mando has been able to convey with just body language and the tilt of his helmet. And while Mando doesn't say much, he doesn't need to. In contrast, I thought TBoBF diminished the character of Baba Fett by featuring him most of the time without his mask.
    Agreed!
     
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    Agreed. The single dad-thing is surprisingly engaging, I find. There is real vulnerability there, and Djarin isn't some superhero who waltzes through every hurdle on his way, but rather, he actually fails quite a lot, becoming a get-back-up-and-try-again kind of role model. I like the dude :)
     
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    I hate to sound cynical but the combination of ersatz Boba-Fett and baby Yoda are pretty hard to ignore when defining the reasons for Mando's success. They are definitely number one and number two.

    I can't think what sets it apart from the other stuff except the baby-Daddy dynamic.
     
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    What was great about season 1 of Mando was that we had a live-action story that took place in the GFFA, our favorite setting. But it was an all-new story with all-new characters. Sure, we had some lookalikes--Mando, Baby Yoda, IG-11, Moff Gideon, and of course stormtroopers--but all the characters were ones we'd never known before. Not a legacy character in sight. The focus was on the new character and his own conflicts (mostly with himself). I related to quiet, middle-aged Din in a way I never related to any other SW character in 40 years. I really loved the mystery behind his covert and what happened to the Mandalorians after we left them in TCW/Rebels. I loved that the helmet and the nonspeaking child forced so much show-don't-tell storytelling.

    It was an independent Star Wars story!

    It was like Rogue One if they left out Vader and Leia! (And maybe Andor??)

    And then came season 2. Don't get me wrong: I enjoyed season 2. But less than season 1, because it was disappointing that it was a vehicle to spin off the other series to come, and to presumably culminate in a big old Marvel-type teamup someday. Instead of monster-of-the-week, it was legacy-character-of-the-week. We even got my greatest fear--yet another tie to the Skywalkers. (I don't think Star Wars is ever going to "progress" until it stops riding the Skywalker shirttails.)

    Once they whipped out the darksaber at the end of s1, it was inevitable that Din's story would collide with that of the Mandalorians we already knew. But the Jedi... I mean apparently now there are about a dozen Jedi or Jedi-trained Force users out there that Grogu could train with, so couldn't we keep this story small, and keep Luke's development as its own special thing? I guess not. It makes sense that if Luke knew there was a little Jedi kid out there who needed help, he'd come. But did he have to be the one, writers?

    Anyway, plainly the idea is not to have small stories but big ones that appeal to lots more people and sell well. I can understand and accept that, but I don't have to like the trend. :p
     
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    I would be more agreeable with the "all new....non legacy" character praise if the main character wasn't virtually indistinguishable from most of the audience's perception of Boba Fett and his co-star wasn't a Muppet Baby Yoda. To say that this series started without relying on any links to existing characters and movies is just plainly untrue. Set five years after Endor and the Nevaro is crawling with Stormtroopers in episode 1 and 3? Not really independent of what already appeals to Star Wars fans was it?
     
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    The main character is perfectly distinguishable from Boba Fett, just like the legacy settings are perfectly distinguishable from legacy characters.
     
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    When ANY story is set in the Star Wars Universe, it opens itself to criticism -- and cynicism -- that it's clinging to the skirts of what came before. TFA was a nearly-identical, beat-for-beat reboot of the original Star Wars so often those concerns are not without merit.

    But fortunately, The Mandalorian is not another AHN reboot. When Kathleen Kennedy asked Jon Favreau to 'come up an idea for a SW TV series,' he deliberately turned away from the films and focused on George Lucas's original inspirations. That led him to Lone Wolf and Cub and the Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns starring Clint Eastwood. As a result, I found The Mandalorian to feel 'more Star War-ish' than many of the Star Wars films that followed ANH.

    And I have to smile when I hear fans grouse about The Mandalorian approaching its storytelling like ... gasp ... a 'comic book' would! Last I checked, the original Star Wars was The Classic 'Comic Book' Movie in every way, shape, and form.
     
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    Not really. Not until we're given a back story for Din.

    But when he's introduced, he's just a taciturn, Mandalorian armoured bounty hunter. The sum total of Boba Fett's characterisation in the OT. Oh and he flies a different spaceship.

    It's no secret that the audience was enticed with a sort of Boba Fett series. Din turned out to be something else (and so did Boba Fett himself, to the chagrin of some fans). But it can't be denied that his Fettness was the main attraction to the show for many.
     
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    It's certainly not the writing. I hate to say this, but as much as I love "The Mandalorian", it still has a writing problem. Favreau and Filoni need more lessons in tightening up their writing. Yes, I love the relationship between Mando and Grogu, but it's not enough. The series needs more clean up in terms of writing.


    Really? Ever since Season One, it felt more like a space Western than anything.
     
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    Star Wars: A New Hope was a space Western.
     
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    Not like "The Mandalorian". For me, the only thing "Western" about "A New Hope" to me was the Mos Eisley cantina sequence.
     
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    Everything on Tattooine had an Old West vibe to it.
     
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    I don't know if I can agree with that. It's just a feeling.
     
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    I think what sets "TheMandalorian" apart from the other Star Wars content is the relationship between Din Djarin and Grogu. Or . . . Grogu.
     
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