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Why do you read spoilers?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by The Hud, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. The Hud

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    Just a quickie for interest - why are people clamouring for potential spoilers? Isn't it awesome going in with no information and being (hopefully) smacked in the face with an awesome movie?

    Not a criticism at all, just a general question
     
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    nope, every TV show and movie i invest a lot of time in, I want all the spoilers. It's all about the intrigue wondering and theorising if the spoiler is accurate. You're decoding a mystery. Then ontop of that, I just want the info first :D

    You should have seen me on the LOST spoiler forums back in the day. Every spoiler I could get my hands on the better. :D
     
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    @The Hud

    For me, going in as spoiled as I can be has always enhanced the experience - knowing plot points, story beats and details allows me to focus on other, more subtle things while I watch the movie/episode. Besides, the point of every movie (or piece of entertainment) ever, is not to be "surprised". You can read the entire final script of a movie, look at thousands of pictures and watch every trailer and BTS reel available - the point is how good the execution is, otherwise there would be no reason for people to rewatch something after the first time.
     
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    Well, I reject the premise of the question that people are "clamouring for potential spoilers" I'm not clamoring for knowing the entire movie, or even big spoilers (Verbal is Kaiser Soze, Soylent Green is people, Planet of the Apes is our world after a nuclear war).


    Movies, TV, and theatre require suspension of disbelief, and all are supposed to tell you a story.

    When you attend a play they give you a program with the cast list, the musical numbers (if applicable), scene list (with setting), etc. Most TV shows give you opening credits which identify the actors.

    I have no idea how it got started, but we have gotten to the point in movie history where every single shot, every character and actor appearing in a movie is considered a "spoiler."

    I'm not picking on you, because people like Adam Driver and JJ feel like you should experience EVERYTHING about a movie the first time you see it. Well guess what, that means you need to see every movie twice or three times because plot points aren't always clear, accents or bad acting can confuse a line reading, etc.

    I couldn't disagree more with Driver and JJ.


    You know what you can't spoil? The flow of the movie, the score, how it begins, how characters are introduced, the cinematic language of the film, the level of tension, how much humor or heart or romance there is in a film.


    Do you know why?

    Because if you make a 2 hour movie with 12 TV ads at 30 sec per ads (all unique footage) that's 6 minutes of total footage.
    One teaser at 1.5 minutes and two trailers at 3 minutes each all unique footage 7.5 minutes of total footage.
    13.5 minutes out of 120. 11% of a movie. Wow, not much.

    Then when you consider they reuse a few of the same money shots in nearly every TV ad and trailer, and they have the inevitable title card, red or green band, studio logo, and date announcement in TV ads and trailers, you're down to about 9 total minutes of total footage, seen out of context, in flashes, for a wham bam
    7% of the movie (tops) seen, and very little of it telling you what's really making up the movie ($1 to KOR in TFA trailer...then film, 1$ to Luke). Everyone assumed Earth was being attacked again in Star Trek Beyond because of shots in the trailers, but they were wrong.

    Trailers and stills are ways to get excited about a movie. You are looking at them as "every bit of information I get is a spoiler and they each take away from my experiencing the movie the first time." I look at stills and trailers and cast lists and say, "hmmmm, I wonder what that scene will be like? Is this character evil or funny? Why is Rey crying? Why are her veneers so big?" Seeing a film rewards the guessing and anticipation you have for it. Nothing is really 100% confirmed until you see the film. People lie (JJ--He's not Khan). People obfuscate (JJ--Why is Luke not in the marketing? "I can't wait for you to see the film.") Trailers and marketing don't tell you how important a character is (Phasma). You don't even know what you think you know most of the time.

    Knowledge about upcoming movies is up to everyone's preference.

    Everyone gets to decide what they consider "spoilers." Everyone gets to decide how much they want to know (apart from a few TV ads, and even then you can change the channel when they come on).

    When it comes to spoilers, I only consider big twists (see above) midway or late in the film to be proper "spoilers." I can't turn off my brain during a movie, and it's a lot easier for me to know who's playing who and the basic premise of the movie and some other details. I followed the run up to TFA extremely closely (I don't read the books or comics) and I had no idea what planets were destroyed in TFA or why that was important. I'm glad I knew as much as I did because

    I know increased demand for information has made studios very careful about leaks, but Driver and JJ are two of those really self-important "arteeest" types who need to take themselves a lot less seriously.

    KK and lots of others treat information like we're all 5 years old and every bit of information is a Christmas present (though the difference is you paid for all of them...).

    Zach Snyder, while a terrible filmmaker (300 and Watchmen were great) usually, I think strikes a nice balance of teasing things and understanding how fans feel about upcoming films and what they're looking for in updates.



    Part of being an adult is dealing with the consequences of your actions. People who dress up their pets in human style clothes kind of annoy me. If you want a kid, have a kid, or don't. But again, that's their life to live.

    Going to the message boards of a movie, posting 300+ times, and then talking about you don't want to know any spoilers is the same type of thing. You either want to know stuff about the upcoming movie or you don't.

    Decide.
     
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    i decide to read and post here everyday, but still be mindful of big spoilers.

    just because one see's a fence, we don't all have to decide which side of it we want to live on.

    p.s. @Lobot, i actually love your post by the way.
     
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    A well crafted, thoughtful response. Thank you (and @Charlie07 and @SickBoy ).

    The key point raised is indeed what constitutes a spoiler? An image? or the twist? As you, @Charlie07 and @SickBoy say, some people follow small tidbits and others want to be fully spoilt beforehand - no one should be told how to experience a movie.

    Interesting responses, thanks guys!
     
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    There was an old thread about this very topic some time ago, but for whatever reason I can't find it. So this conversation was the perfect opportunity to make a new one!

    @SickBoy worded it about the same way I would have. I'd add to it by saying it's like Empire Strikes Back is no longer enjoyable because we know the twist. I find that I can follow the movie better that first, magical time watching it, and I'm less on-edge throughout.
     
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    I dont like surprises...they're course and irritating;)
     
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    I look at it this way. If the spoilers come, sweet. I'll be there snacking on every morsel. If the lid stays on until release date, even better.
     
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    for me, i dont ask for every single detail but if i know the overall general spoilers than id gladly take them.
     
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    Thank you

    Empire's twist is definitely a top 10 all time "spoiler" and is exactly the kind of thing you keep a secret. Arnold in Terminator 2 being revealed to be a good guy is also a "spoiler," even though it occurs 25 minutes into the film.

    Big spoilers like I mentioned at the beginning of my OP should be heavily marked and to me, shouldn't be shared. The Red Wedding in GOT was ruined for lots of people by book readers or just jerks, and that's the kind of stuff should be clearly marked and hidden with code, if posted at all.

    I definitely sympathize with people who don't want to know too much, especially if they do read the comics and novels because a leaked image that means next to nothing to me could spoil both the book someone is reading and thus spoil something huge in the film for them too.

    I look at movies as their own canon. I don't have time or interest in anything but live action SW content, and entry must do as much as possible to exist on its own.

    Anything about that certain large plant and what happens when it appears will very likely be huge spoilers, as will anything involving Snoke I suspect.

    But Finn's costumes? Rey's hair? An A wing? Not spoilers, just stuff that appears.

    But I don't have any sources or anything like that so nothing's going to come to me. I have to find it here and other sites (more the former than the latter).
     
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    Can't spell, "Spoilers," without s-p-o-i-l.

    For me I want to go in without any previously specific detailed knowledge; like being in line for ESB (a la Simpsons episode) Homer to Marge, "Wooow who would have thought Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father." :mad:

    But for me I do like knowing, just overall, if it's worth the time to see. Good or bad but not much else.


    Final Note: I H8 THAT-GUY in the room being the narrator because he saw it first. At the most suspenseful point, "OOh this is the part when the guy comes down the stairs and he's all slow and all on fire!" Then in 2 secs you see it and it's like 'meh.'
     
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    True, and what you describe is exactly why the word is what it is. The key is the purposefulness (is that a word) behind knowing details. If I look for these details and actively seek them out (which I do), then I'm making a decision for myself and I'm not "spoiling" anything. But if someone blurts it out in line... then yeah. That's a totally different animal.
     
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    I am fairly relaxed about spoilers just by using the cantina I accept that I run the risk of being spoiled. However I still try to avoid major spoilers by being careful on what forums I use. So avoid film forum marked with the spoiler tag. For books & TV shows I read all the info I can find.
     
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    I usually read everything until the final trailer hits.
    Without the small bits of information (especially from MSW), the months of anticipation would be very hard to endure.
    In the weeks leading up to the release I try to stay away from spoilers because I'd ideally know nothing about the film at all. I want to be taken by surprise.
     
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    I read them because I have no self control when it comes to SW :rolleyes:

    For TFA I read everything that was out there and it was about 1/3 of the way into the movie when I realized that the scene list posted all the way back in the previous February (as I recall) was the real deal. It didn't lessen the impact of the movie for me, and the only thing that could be considered a real spoiler was Han's death.

    That wasn't even that surprising as it rhymed with Obi-Wan and Vader in ANH.

    I stayed away from R1 spoilers considering that I already knew that they would get the plans, but I wasn't ready for all of the main actors to die. I don't recall anyone saying that that was reveled prior to the premier, so the one thing that mattered as far as storytelling wasn't out in the wilds anyway.

    I suppose a better answer is that I really enjoy spending mental time in AGFFA and spoilers is a great way to do that.
     
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    I have no idea. I guess I always have to know the unknown. Natural curiosity. I think too much, especially about Star Wars.
     
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    Something along these lines...
    • I like knowing if certain theories were right
    • I like knowing if certain theories were wrong
    • I like knowing if expectations will be fulfilled (e.g., Vader using his lightsaber in Rogue One)
    • I hate waiting, and the current trend of "show all kinds of nothing" makes it worse
    • I hate waiting
    • Did I mention I hate waiting? :D
    In general, I just find that spoilers don't ruin the movie for me, so it doesn't bother me to know them. There are some exceptions. But they're rare. :)
     
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    Spoilers don't ruin the movie for me especially Star Wars.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 24, 2017, Original Post Date: Feb 24, 2017 ---
    I think the Terminator Genisys's trailer when they reveal that John Connor is a Terminator was a big spoiler. I didn't like that. But Star Wars spoilers are all welcomed.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 24, 2017 ---
    I never forgot when I was in the 5th grade. Someone in class saw TESB, we all sat around him as he told us the story. Then he tells us Darth Vader is Luke's father. We were all amazed. I couldn't wait till the weekend to see it!
     
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