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Why is Leia Never Mentioned?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ChrisI, Jan 3, 2018.

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    this. there's actually a moment in the TFA novel in which Snoke begins to mention Leia and Ren cuts him off, changes the subject.
    i wonder if he downplayed her significance to guard her from Snoke in some fashion.

    Ben's relationship with his mother remains rather mysterious. on some level Han was Han (as Luke said). he probably just did whatever Leia recommended where concerned his son. but Leia made the big decisions, so it's tempting to assume that Ben was both closer to her and has more cause to resent her.
    he couldn't kill her, but we still don't know exactly how he feels about her.
     
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    I think Leia is Kylo Ren’s weak point. They had some sort of Force connection when he contemplated killing her in The Last Jedi that ultimately spared her life, and I don’t think it was just him facing the same situation he faced when killing Han.

    I think it’s interesting that when Ben killed Han, he was told that “we miss you.” Now, with The Last Jedi in mind, it’s very possible that the “we” is what made his actions so difficult, as Ben clearly has some serious hate for Han (and continues to have it after his death) even though Leia is never really mentioned.

    But like others have said, I think he was closer with his mother. Luke said that when it came time to train Ben, “Han was Han about it,” but Leia was probably very nurturing and wanted what was best for her son.

    Given the significance she was supposed to have in Episode IX, I’m almost certain that she was going to be crucial in his redemption. More than anyone else, I think she has always been the one to maintain hope, and though she loses it briefly in The Last Jedi, she is ultimately the one to continue to have hope at the end of the film (even if she told Luke she has to accept that her son is gone).

    Now that Carrie is gone, it will obviously be difficult to do that because I really think the one thing that was missing from The Last Jedi—whether there was time for it or not—was some sort of physical interaction between Leia and Ben, rather than just the brief Force connection they had. I think the plan was for that to be a big, emotional moment in Episode IX, and unfortunately, now we won’t get that.

    If Leia dies in the film, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if that further drives Kylo Ren into emotional turmoil. I’ve always thought Rey represented pieces of each of the original three heroes, both in the sense that she’s kind of inherited objects that represent them (the Falcon, the lightsaber), but also that she’s strong in the Force like Luke and Leia, she’s a good pilot like Luke and Han, she represents hope like Leia, etc. In The Last Jedi, Rey is the one to have hope that Ben can be redeemed, and because of that, I think Rey will ultimately be the one to redeem him being that Leia can’t do it now.
     
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    but he doesn't. he never did.

    he's disappointed by a father who failed to protect him, but he absolutely doesn't hate him.
    if he simply hated him, killing him would not have mattered, he wouldn't consider himself a monster, and he wouldn't continue to be in so much pain.
     
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    I’m not saying he completely hates Han. But he does have some resentment for him, for whatever reason. I guess I kind of misspoke, because Rey does ask Ben why he hated Han. (“You had a father that loved you, he gave a damn about you!”) I don’t remember exactly what he responds with, but he essentially says he didn’t hate him, and then doesn’t answer when Rey asks why he killed him if he didn’t hate him.

    I think there’s more to the story than just the fact that he hated him, but I don’t know what that is. Really, my point was that the anger and resentment he feels is definitely more directed at Han than Leia. He seems to have a soft spot for Leia that he doesn’t have for Han and I’m curious to know if there’s something specifically that happened that caused him to feel this way about his parents.
     
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    *sobs*

    Yeah many can judge Ben as a whiny brat but we have to understand he felt abandoned by his parents.

    We read "Bloodline" and there is no contact at all between Leia and Ben. She mentions he is traveling with Luke but it feels like his Jedi training is not like a Hogwarts thing when they keep in contact with their family.
     
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