Will Disney drill Star Wars into the ground like it has Marvel?

You dont like the direction Marvel has taken? I haven't seen Antman yet, I know the critics dont like it. Bu for the most part I like Marvel movies.

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@Fallon Tagge talked about this last year in his thread. https://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/the-marvel-plan-for-star-wars.440/

 

that was my thought when I saw the preview for Hancock. lol, but that was a few years ago and things havnt changed much since.

 

i think disney knows what kind of effort to use in the marvel films. they can allow themselves to create marvel films under a certain type of production quality simply because they are comic book stories. as for tron legacy i thought it was created with a higher standards of production quality as it really did not feel like a marvel film. on top of That, the star wars films are in an even higher category of production quality.

 

I think so, at some point it will be come a chore for me to watch them.

 

To start with, I don't feel that Disney has drilled Marvel into the ground, the movies still controlled directly by Marvel are still doing quite well. I think Rebo summed up the issue quite well in his post, its all the imitators that are taking the steam out of the superhero genre right now. I'll try not to go into to much detail since this is a Star Wars forum after all, but I'd like to point out how Disney's treatment of Marvel should actually be an encouraging sign to those concerned about Star Wars.

Lets take a quick look at the most recent Super Hero movie failure, the Fantastic Four reboot. I haven't personally watched the film myself yet, however even watching the trailers for the film, it felt tonally off for what a film featuring those characters should be like. If the overwhelming number of negative reviews are to be believed, one of the big failings of the film is that it was trying to be a serious sci-fi film rather than a superhero flick, at least until the last battle. Things like this are common when many movie studios adapt comic books(or many novels for that matter) into movies, they completely miss what made these stories and characters popular to fans in the first place(its not like the original creators actually knew what they were doing after all ). As a comic book fan I could go on and on about this subject, but for brevity's sake, lets move on to how Marvel handles their movies.

Marvel started to make their own super hero movies starting with the first Iron Man film. As we all know by now, that film was a huge starting success for them. The reason for this was largely due to Robert Downey Jr's charisma as Tony Stark. The thing audiences might not know however, is that the reason the movie succeeded so well was that it was extremely true to the spirit of the character, and the casting of RDJ as Tony Stark was perfect. Also important, was the fact that the director Jonh Favreau had a real sense of knowlege and respect for the character. The first Iron Man film set an important tone for the flicks in the MCU(Marvel Cinematic Universe), what was that tone you may ask? Sticking true to the spirit and characters of the source material.

Their film slate has had varying degrees of success since the first Iron Man movie, but even the lesser successes were still successes for the studio. When you look at the slate of movies that Marvel has released so far, even if not all them were to your liking, if you have a general knowledge of the stories that they are based upon, you would have to admit that Marvel has stayed largely true to the spirit and characterizations of their characters. They also get directors like Joss Whedon who respect the source material(the man had even written comics for Marvel previously) to direct their films. Does that mean that these movies are perfect or that they don't have their problems(undeveloped central villains being a major issue), of course not, but they still succeed overall because they respect the source material and characters.

As for Disney's part in all of this, they didn't buy Marvel until after they had released Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. However once they bought Marvel, nothing really changed as far the approach to the movies went, other than they studio now having significantly better financial backing to make their films. If you have a problem with the way the MCU is going, don't blame the execs at Disney, but rather the execs at Marvel who are largely the same now as they were prior to Disney's acquisition of Marvel.

Sorry, that explanation was a bit longer than I intended(but I still condensed it considerably ).

Now you may be wondering what any of that has to do with Disney and Star Wars going forward, and I'll be happy to tell you.

Disney has learned some important things from their ongoing success with Marvel that they seem to be applying to the Star Wars universe. First of all, they are looking for directors who have a real respect for the source material(like Marvel did with directors like Whedon and Favreau). Love or hate J.J. Abrams, it is clear that the man has a real love for Star Wars, and a respect for what made the OT so iconic to millions of fans around the world. The same can be said for their director choices for each of the announced movies so far. Each of these choices also have solid resumes in Hollywood thus far. The same can be said of most of the writers involved in the projects(Lawrence Kasdan in particular). Does this automatically mean that the films will be great, of course not, even the best writers and directors have projects that they'd rather you forget about, but regardless, they are still starting in the right direction by choosing these people to begin with.

Basically Disney seems to be doing the same thing they are doing with Marvel, put the material in the hands of qualified people who care about the source material, funding them with their deep pockets, but creatively speaking, staying mostly hands off.

All of that being said, it is still possible that the continual releases of Star Wars material in the future may take away the special quality of a Star War release somewhat. However that is largely dependent on the quality of the material as well, so I say we cross that bridge when we get to it.

 

Like others have said, there are about three marvel movies a year. Thats a lot. At the same time, though, each character only has a movie every couple years. I figured out which ones I liked, and which ones I didn't like. I don't go to Thor movies in theaters any more. I do still make and effort to see Captain America.
Its okay with me that they make Thor movies though, it doesn't infringe on my ability to enjoy Captain America, and when I see Avengers, I happen to like Thor in them. Also, I like that they are branching out into other forms. I really liked the DareDevil show on Netflix.

Another use case for long running series - James Bond and Star Trek have managed to put out a new movie every couple of years for decades, and some are good, and some are not so good, and some are downright terrible, and some are truly amazing. It sort of comes with the territory of making a whole bunch of something. You are going to have misfires. Do I think, "Man, I'll never see a James Bond movie again because Moonraker was garbage"? No, I check out the trailers, see it in theaters, and hope for the best. I'm usually rewarded.

If they made Episode 7 this year, and then Episode 8 next year, and then Episode 9 the year after that, and Finn and Rey and Poe were the only characters and they had 20 adventures in the next 20 years, that would probably get stale fast. but as that's not what they are doing, I'm not going to sweat it.

 

OH YES! Absolutely!

Not only will they drill Star Wars into the ground, they’ll backfill the hole with leftover soil, pack it down, and then they’ll water it.
It will bloom and grow exactly like Marvel did!
It’ll be a helluva harvest, too!

Gardening metaphor! Brilliant! Why didn’t I think of that?

 

Any Man.. Well, SUCKED. I sat through the first 30 minutes and walked out. Disney's tendency to hurt their over all product line in the long term and stretch out until it's over saturated will only happen if SW is built directly into the parks, which it will be built right behind toon town inside of a massive indoor building by 2019/2020.

 

If by "drill into the ground" you mean "turn into a complete success" .

Yes, Disney will drill star wars very deep into the ground.

 

Personally, I don't feel like they have already drilled Marvel to the ground.. I haven't seen Antman yet, but I'm looking forward Civil War, Black Panther, Guardians 2...

I think they will eventually overplay their hand, but we are not there yet.

Going back to Star Wars, yes, I think they will milk the last drop of bluemilk they can out of it, but hopefully that last drop is still very far far away!