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SPECULATION Will the ST focus on Next Gen Skywalkers/Solos?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Hermann22, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. Hermann22

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    I've argued with many people of the importance of having the Episodic saga focus on the Skywalker family. That means next generation for the ST.

    But....will we get that? What if Driver is the bad guy and he's the only offspring that came from The Skywalker kids? What if Boyega and Ridley are the main characters and they have zero ties to the Solo/Skywalker family? I can't help, but feel...disappointed?

    Will it bother any of you if a Skywalker is not the protagonist? I get that Anakin ended up the bad guy in The PT and that could emulate what goes on in the ST with Driver, but....I can't help and think that we have to at least get 2 next generation solo/Skywalkers.

    Lucas said the Saga was supposed to follow a family...but who knows at this point.

    Would love to read all of your thoughs!
     
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    I still personally believe Daisy Ridley is Leia's daughter and Domnhall Gleeson is Luke's son. I know some leaks say that Gleeson is Han's son which kind of confuses me unless he hooked up with some one that wasn't Leia after ROTJ (Mara Jade anyone?)
    Adam Driver or Pip Andersen could be Han and/or Leia's sons as well.

    The main story of Star Wars is about the Skywalker family, so I think it should follow either Luke and/or Leia's children.
     
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    There’s no guarantee Gleeson keeps his hair color. He could easily dye it or wear a brown wig.

    As for the question from the OP? It honestly depends on what the story is. If they are following another Jedi dealing with echoed themes of Luke and Anakin, then it would make sense to have it be a Skywalker. But if they are going in a different direction and the story concentrates on Luke’s inability or unwillingness to pass on what he has learned, then the concept of there being no one to carry on the family legacy is extra poignant. Perhaps Luke, having squandered his child producing years either in isolation, on the dark side, or just wrapped up in saving the galaxy, has not been able to pass on what he has learned. And in doing so, he has opened the window for the return of the Sith and a new imbalance in the force.
     
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    Here is the main reason why I'm starting to have my doubts about Ridley being a Solo kid:

    - Why is she living and working in a salvage area by herself? That really confuses me.

    - The other reports that she and Boyega's character were amazed at the Lightsaber being turned on? Wouldn't she know what they are/look like already?

    I'm hoping someone can explain this? :-(

    That is an EXCELLENT point!
     
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    I can think of any number of reasons.

    My favorite at the moment is that Leia and Han had a baby that was kidnapped as an infant to be raised by the forces of the dark side. Von Sydow is a Sith in hiding, biding his time until he can begin his resurgence. When he finds Luke’s lightsaber, that’s his signal to come out of hiding. He is then able to turn (at least temporarily) Daisy at the end when he is revealed as the villain as he is the one who raised her.
     
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    I understand the arguments for Ridley, the traits sought out in casting returns probably being the biggest ones. But I think it's wishful thinking that Ridley is a Solo or Skywalker, I don't see anything wrong with making her someone new as long one part of this new generation carries on the family name. Gleeson and Anderson are my favorites for a Skywalker/Solo respectively. I understand arguments for other characters such as Driver, but I don't agree with them. I don't think Driver looks like a Solo or Skywalker and I feel the rumors and leaks up to this point suggest no familial relation
     
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    If she is the lead, and I really hope she is, I'd put money on her being a missing/believed dead solo/skywalker.

    She doesn't know who she is, so as she discovers these characters we rediscover them along with her.

    Remember how Kahn wasn't Kahn? This is Abrams working off Lucas treatments. Deception and hidden identities galor
     
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    With all of this discussion back and forth of our theories on this new cast, I figured we might as do a poll to see where the community stands on who will be our new Skywalker's and/or new Solo's. I'd prefer guesses be limited to two maximum, but if you truly feel Han and Leia got busy in 30 years then you are allowed to express said opinion
     
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    I was of the inclination that she might be working in the salvage area/living in the abandoned AT-AT as part of a specific greater mission she has taken on. Possibly trying to blend in to the surroundings to stay incognito as she gathered information or searched for whatever it is brought her there. I feel like the possibility of her not knowing her true identity feels like a bit too much of a repetitive theme. I would more likely expect her to be instead hiding her true identity for the sake of her safety or for that of her mission, revealing it to others later on in a Padme/Amidala kind of way.

    As for the reaction the lightsaber, she might be amazed that it activated at all, if for some reason it had at first seemed damaged to the point of being inoperable. Might be a bit of a speculative jump, but maybe in the course of activating the lightsaber, Boyega displays some Force abilities that he and/or the others didn't know he was capable of, and the amazement was due to this revelation.
     
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    I think this trilogy absolutely must have a new Skywalker for the story to work. Star Wars is at it's heart a generational tale of the Skywalker line. Yeah, it's also about the struggle of good vs evil and many other things, but the Skywalker tale is what gives the episodic films legitimacy to me. And Disney would never be stupid enough to abandon that. Disney will take chances and shake things up with gender, race, etc. But they won't kill off the Skywalker name (and marketability) by having the family name die with Luke. I'd be shocked and horriblly disappointed if they did. Hell, they've probably already lost Darth Vader as a character they can put out there on merchandise for new stories going forward, you think they will piss away the second most famous name in the franchise?

    JJ and his crew can be as secretive as they want, but there is a son of Luke Skywalker in this cast, and it's most likely Gleeson. And that's not to downplay how important the other young characters will be to the story, any less so than Han, Leia, Obi-Wan and Lando were.
     
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    I wanted Daisy Ridley to be a Solo (or Skywalker) but now have serious doubts and that she's a completely unrelated character.

    I could see Pip Andersen as being a Solo but find that doubtful as well.

    I've heard Gleeson is a Solo but doubt that one as well. He would absolutely be a poor casting choice IMO if that turned out to be true and Driver likewise. I find it hard to believe that Driver would be Han and Leia's kid and completely cast aside everything they stand for for his grandfather -- Vader.

    I'm confused at this point. :p
     
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    I believe Daisy is a Solo.

    The cantina scene rumor sounds convincing to me. And she's looking Han-esque in the concept art as well.

    I don't even think she lives in that AT-AT. Looks more like a garage to me.
     
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    I hope you're right. It does look like a garage, but why then would she be living there at all and all alone IF she's a Solo or Skywalker? Why is a junker her best friend?
     
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    Daisy is definitely. I'm leaning toward Solo but with a very close relationship (at least it was 10 years ago) with Uncle Luke - perhaps his padawan who's been on the run and/or looking for him.

    The AT-AT is hiding what in the concepts is called the Pod Falcon - that's her ship. She doesn't have an X-Wing. The one she's dragging out is somebody else's.

    What's curious here is that none of the droids show up in any of these.
     
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    I don't see any indication in the concept art that she lives there, either alone or with others. Or that anybody in the art is her best friend.

    A lot of what we've been discussing isn't really supported by the images.
     
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    Yeah, that image could be a garage. I'm just pairing what we have seen (two desert images) up with the rumors that I've heard and read.
     
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    I don't think Pip is anyone big in this. He's playing some mo-cap alien character who can jump around a lot - and/or maybe he is doing the moves for the Cyborg "Grave Robber" in the action scenes.

    I'm guessing it's more of a temporary refuge as she goes about whatever her quest is at the beginning of the film. We're clearly starting things off on Tatooine again...which only makes sense thematically and historically.
     
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    If Ridley is a secret Solo or Skywalker she won't know it and it won't be revealed until VIII or IX
     
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    I still think daisy is an unknowing skywalker or solo...

    But, now I'm leaning towards she does know and has at least some training.

    If the art is accurate, she is using a sabre right? Plus the actress had physical training
     
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    There are two reason I am strongly against she will have training

    1- Luke has been gone for 10 years, Ridley is playing someone around 18 years old, people are acting as if she could've been Luke's apprentice for a long time, she's too young for that to have happened.

    2- She is living in a burned out AT-AT on a backwater planet. If she knew how important she was she wouldn't be living as an orphan on Tatooineexpy

    Besides Luke was depicted with a lightsaber in episode IV concept art, and he had 0 training
     
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