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SPOILER Willow, the TV Series

Discussion in 'General TV Series Discussion' started by Madmartigan, Nov 30, 2022.

  1. Madmartigan

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    Willow the tv series is here!

    We know is hard to make something like we have loved for decades.
    But Willow the series, in my opinion, respects perfectly the source material, characters, places and events.
    The most difficult thing is to capture the naturallity of the 80's humor. Certainly this show has more humor but is also true that are not awful gags everywhere like Marvel and the spirit of the film is there.

    The prologue is so great as the worldbuilding.
    The actors sometimes try too hard but the refreshing points of them and the story definetly worth this show.
    Certainly the worldbuilding can seem quite simple but is very well done (Nelwyn for exemple). At the end Willow was adventure, fun, magic and an atractive good and evil fight. The first 2 episodes of Willow have all of this.

    A couple of special effects seems weak but the bad guys are so well done and the real locations/landscapes are so great too

    The soundtrack is really good (the always marvelous James Newton Howard is a safe choice) with little glimpses here and there from Horner's melodies, but the weakest part are the end credits choices. Not sure if they fit in.

    We have some very cool flashbacks to explain some backstory after the film with an incredible deaged cgi. Seriously, is so great. And that gives hope to see MadMartigan again, although we know Val was not available. There are a few inclusive elements but in my opinion are well introduced and don't feel forced, as the story keeps going with naturallity thanks to Erin Kellyman character.

    Cool to play with Elora Danan character and watching Tir Asleen splendor.

    Its nostalgic, with great adventure and cinematic tempo (although sometimes feels rushed) with an interesting new stories and places. Kasdan gives names to a lot of battles and places and this is so cool. Is not the movie but is very refreshing and the most important thing, nothing is out of place and the essence is everywhere.
     
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    @Madmartigan
    You have apparently abandoned Sorsha. Little brownie action on the side there? (I only watched the 1st episode)
     
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    I'm not loving it so far.

    The young characters speak like they are in our world/modern times. It's particularly noticeable since the older cast seems to be making an attempt to speak like people from another era. I will say they are funny, aside from a few failed jokes, but feel too contemporary.

    Davis feels a little off too. Not sure if he can't play the character anymore or he's written oddly.He doesn't feel like Willow. Willow seems to have lost his mind. It's implied he tried t steal her from Tis Asleen. He'd never do that, especially since they were all safe behind that barrier. He's turned into a nutty old man.

    Not sure how I felt about the evil henchmen. The looked all right and were kinda cool in the first episode, but the one whispering and hissing to his boss and the guy he infected was very second rate and corny.

    I don't hate it, but would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed.

    First episode was better. 2nd had some weird interactions between the characters.
     
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    I agree on this.
    Is what I thought in my second viewing. Old actors are great and the young ones they try too hard. Even Joanne Whalley is really good in this.
    The problem I guess is the writing. Also giving humor on too many characters. It's fine for one or two, but all seems have funny lines to say. Maybe this does not help either.

    Is not the best show in the world but also not the worst. Curious to know how the story goes. It needs to open more. It feels more a little family reunion.
     
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    Interesting, I will make some type to watch this show eventually.
     
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    It's missing Val's braggadocio IMO(still have not watched the 2nd).
     
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    I won't say I didn't laugh at any of their jokes. The original had banter too. They sounded too damn modern.
     
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    We know Val was not available but with this de-aged thing in SW and Indiana Jones I still have faith to see Madmartigan as a surprise. As some characters say, he is still in the world.
     
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    I have now watched the 2nd.

    Yes, I agree that they will give us Madmartigan somehow. His quest seems like it failed though or he might be an antagonist at some point.

    I also agree on the weird dynamic of jokes, it just feels awkward.

    I almost feel like they are pushing Princess Kit to fill the role of both Sorsha and Madmartigan. Other than that, I find the show being an Ok watch.
     
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    I have seen third one.

    Is a mixed feeling cause still has some forced characters, dialogs and humor, perfomance of Kit actress is not very good and costumes of forest ladies are out of place. But also it has the best moments when the shows go dark. The cinematography is also better when the show goes to darkness.

    But the choice for the last shots and end credits theme for this episode (this time a cover of a very classic and great song) is quite embarrassing and it has no sense at all.

    Yes. Maybe they should have concentrated in less characters. Jon Kasdan tries too much. I was expecting more from him. Sometimes feel he doesn't know what to say.

    Agreed. Maybe this goes against the actress and the character itself. Is not very defined.
     
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    I'm not a fan of that gimmick. I think the only time I've liked it was in Ghostbusters Afterlife.

    I don't hold it against the show he's not in it.
     
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    Yeah, just because they can, doesn’t mean they should.
     
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    With any special effect, it should be handled sparingly, not frivolously, or randomly. The PT should have been a lesson for everyone. Still, I really enjoyed Tony Stark de-aged for Civil War and Micheal Douglas for Ant-Man. Hopefully Indies de-aged scenes will be suitable for the story at hand.
     
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    You know, I've read a number of reviews and they are all negative....in fact, this forum is the only one where anything remotely positive has been said about it.

    I remember the books Chris Claremont and George Lucas wrote post the original film, and thought that they were going to do an adaptation of those...but apparently no.

    Methinks Disney really do not like George Lucas!
     
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    Ghostbusters handled it beautifully. You didn't even see his face until the end of the movie and when you did, he didn't speak. Whereas Star Wars has been plastering the characters all over the screen whenever they do it. I think this scene is overrated for many reasons:

     
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    I feel it’s mostly about managed expectations. This series dropped in the midst of prestige high fantasy marquee projects. But this show is really more what you would expect to find on the CW: ‘One Trill Hill’, but with superheroes. Go into it with that in your head and you might find it fun. Don’t expect more of it than what it’s trying to be.
     
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    This is a copout. You are gatekeeping criticism. The show can't not be good, it's the fan's faults for not lowering their expectations.

    Willow was never anything remotely resembling a CW show.
     
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    It’s just some friendly bit of advice, man. How you approach this show will greatly determine how you receive it. Don’t expect great. It’s not and it doesn’t appear that’s trying to be. But you can still have fun with it if you’re willing to.
    Whatever your feelings about the 1988 movie, this show is what it is. You can understandably dislike that and not watch, or you can try to meet it at its own level. The choice is yours.
     
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    I'm very disappointed in this show. I don't hate it, but I'm not loving it either. We've all mentioned the teen actors. I've laughed. I won't say I haven't. But overall, the style of the humor is not working. The style isn't working overall. Hannah Wadding's character (and her sidekick) looked out of place. They look like people in modern times cosplaying as prospectors. Not real prospectors, but people impersonating prospectors. It's a multilayered issue.

    Davis is not good either. His performance is bad and so is what they're doing with the character. It's like he forgot how to play the character and they've written him as an Peedunky.

    And if I have to hear that cheeseball villain hiss “the child has revealed herself” one more time in the opening credits, I'm going to chuck my remote. He's corny an not intimidating either, which is reinforced by the fact his minions are dispatched rather easily. Everyone Ballatine's crew has fought got the upper hand on them. The kids, Hannah Waddington with an axe....come on. Villains need to be intimidating!

    I'm very torn on the young cast. I find myself both liking and being annoying by Elora and Kit. Jade is supposed to be the heart, but Erin Kellyman is such a flat performer.

    I'm not bailing. I will finish it. There's 5 episodes left. We could still get more good than bad, but I'm not optimistic.

    The 3rd episode was too dark too. Anticlimactic action sequences you can't see are not exciting.
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    What a crock.
     
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    Yep. I see very negative opinions everywhere. I don't hate the show either, but am really trying to not being very disappointed with a few things. Acting, dialogs, costumes, credits music...

    Exactly. They were never translated in my native language and i got an english copy a few months back. Just started the first one. The books never got good reviews but I think they can not be that bad.

    I read some Kasdan interviews and he said they didn't used the books, although some little things maybe are reflected in the show.
    Also read Bob Dolman interviews (who wrote the film btw) and he says they were people everywhere behind the scripts and ideas of the show, that they never felt to have freedom at all during the process. I always defend LF but for this am really disappointed. I mean, the man who wrote Willow the movie had no freedom to develop the show and his ideas.

    Is like not giving freedom to Gilroy to develop a good show with what he has in mind and make it more a child show.

    Have to agree in some points yeah.
    I started so open mindly but some things really hurts to see (and hear).
    Is that hard to make a well-written, gritty, serious, dark, oldschool realisitc medieval magic adventure for all audiences (to have a real connection with source material too) this days with all the tech we have and learn from other poor projects?

    For exemple, Stranger Things is not a masterpiece but recreating the vibes is excellent.

    I guess they have tried so hard to make a show for young audiences. And that's ok, but they should not forget the other audiences. And specially, don't treat young and old like idiots. Sometimes is reflected in the images we see. Another exemple of clever treatment for all audiences is the animated film The Sea Beast.

    The more I see of the show, the more disappointed I am. Hope the second half will be better but at this point am not very confident.
     
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