Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Not canon lol

 

Canon fodder, though...

 

Remind me later when we are alone and nobody is around to witness my ignorance, but what in the hell are you talking about?

 

After reading through this thread, I personally feel that Plagueis will not be the villain in Episode VII.

However, I do not think that his character won't be involved. I really believe that we need to explore the tweets by Gabriel Gray more. He basically says that the new villain can trace his lineage back to Plagueis.

I also think that the Mizzlewump rumor of the antagonist being a student of the Emporer needs to be explored more. It's possible that Gabriel Gray's tweets also match up with Mizzlewump.

Basically we need more clues to know his identity and backstory, but it doesn't appear to me that the villain is one that we are already familiar with. We could guess until the cows come home, but we simply don't have enough information without more spoilers. It's like guessing about midichlorians before The Phantom Menace came out; we just don't have enough information.

Edit: After giving it some more thought, I think that I have a theory to tie the Mizzlewump, Plagueis and Gabriel Gray rumors together.

Plagueis is dead, but he did keep someone from dying - someone else who was very close to him. That being could be Plagueis's master, or his son, brother, father, etc. The Emporer also knows that the person/being cheated death, but we were incorrectly interpreting that person/being to be Plagueis instead of someone close to Plagueis. That's my guess as to who Uber is. However, why that person/being was unheard of for so long remains a mystery.

 

Right, but what I was saying was in response to the thought that Sidious was lying about killing Plagueis. I just don't believe that it is possible he was lying about that part because he had nothing to gain by it and his master would certainly not let him last much longer if he was merely a pretender because he would be viewed as weak and not worthy of being a Sith, or breathing for that matter.

Everything we have seen of Sidious in canon material has been consistent with everything we know of Sidious, i.e. He behaved like the Sidious we expect. His internal thoughts about Plageuis in the Tarkin novel wouldn't make much sense if it were Plageuis thinking those things while occupying Sidious' body.

Also, if you want to consider the Plagueis novel here, I believe DP felt that essence transfer wasn't enough, he wanted to continue on not just with his essence but the same body as well. So, if I remembered that part correctly, I don't think he would have even bothered learning the essence transfer ability.

 

I was actually going to point that out!

 

posting a 25 $ gift card for apple store when thread reaches 120

 

I agree that Sideous behaves like SIdeous should (perhaps the eery voice in Ep 3 when he "knighted" Anakin into Vader was strange ...), but the point I was trying to make, or rather the question I was asking, was could the essence transfer happen without the host knowing it, sort of like a stow-away until the proper time. Could the transfer be temporary, using the new host as a place holder for a different purpose/body? (Resurrect his old body, wherever it is

Good thoughts, thanks!

 

Yeah yeah... I read the book, I remember now. He's dead, isn't he? Like Plagueis?

 

Plagueis keeping someone else alive? Can't see it. It's just unnecessarily over complicating things. Plagueis, for me, is a Sith version of a Jedi force ghost, just in a more physical "zombie-like" form. He mastered both sides of the force and he's as bad ass as you can get. He played the "over confident" Sidious from the start. Plagueis ties everything together without having to introduce a brand new super Sith that has just magically appeared after a mere 30 years since the force came back into balance. He's been biding his time and now he's ready to emerge from the shadows. Only our new heroes can stop him...with a little help from our man Luke!

If he was an irrelevant part of the saga, why get a book of his own and why bring him up in the CANNON novel 'Tarkin?' He could've just been left well alone. He wasn't.

He has been set up for the ST since Lucas used his story in ROTS. JJ and Kasdan will just do a better job with his character than Lucas would've done! He will make a brief appearance in this movie, leaving Kylo Ren the main focus, much like Vader in the OT.

I'll speculate further by saying that Kylo Ren and Rey are children of the force - the dark side and the light, created by Plagueis....

Bring. It. On.

 

To each their own, but to me it actually clarifies things, not over complicates them. If one assumes Palpatine was telling the truth, then it fits all of the quotes Sidious said in ROTS.

I am sure the idea that Plagueis kept someone else from dying had to come up before, and if it did, I am not sure why it got discarded from discussion. It could be because people like familiarity, or the idea leads to a dead end without more spoiler information.

But if it is true, one could speculate that Palpatine knew of this immortal's existence and wanted to include him in his plans somehow.

Another possibility is that the Emperor was actively searching for the secret to immortality, and had a student to help him find it (Mizzlewump rumor tie-in). However, Sidious dies before his student finds the secret. Could this be why there is a grave robber searching for Sith artifacts - is he actually searching for clues to becoming immortal?

In either scenario, it still sets up a sequel trilogy because the background and nature of the Sith is largely unexplained and unexplored in the movies.

 

Plagueis creating new force children kinda makes sense, I mean if at first you don't succeed try and try again.

It makes sense then that he might survive, because whilst he might not have planned for Sidious, maybe he did plan for the lashback.

Maybe he really did create Kylo ren? Or at least... twist him, by anticipating events in a way Sidious could not.


It could work...
Luke: "We are not the only family line concieved to be strong in the force... Only a sith master could do something such as this..."

 

The MSW rumor thread got to 132 pages in a little over 30 days....yikes

 

Well given how MSW is perceived these days perhaps JW is in fact Dart Plagy returned . . . .

 

Indeed.

 

Ian McDiarmid is a fantastic actor and I feel he delivered more information about Plagueis's death than just through words. He doesn't come out and say that he was the one who killed Plagy in ROTS. However, if you look at his facial expressions when he mentions that Plagy was killed by his apprentice ... they convey those of someone remembering a fond (disturbingly so), personal moment. Sidious doesn't seem to be lying here, but reminiscing. He thinks Plagueis is dead (whether it's true or not.)

I'm not opposed to the idea that Plagueis is mentioned here to set up the reveal in TFA. Who knows, we might even get more on this in Lords of the Sith. However, it could just as well be Luceno wanting to re-canonize some events from his own novel. Either way, it had to go through the story group.