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Disney and the lack of creativity...?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by John Crichton, Feb 25, 2015.

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Do you feel Disney is relying too much on Ralph McQuarrie's concept art?

  1. No. They are justified in using design influences from the original series.

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  2. Yes. They are copying everything done in the 70s/80s since they cannot create anything on their own

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  1. John Crichton

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    Hello all, first let me start out by stating that I didn't easily find a thread addressing this topic, so if there is please merge/lock/whatever you want to do with this one.

    I pose a question to the Cantina: Do you think that by using the old McQuarrie concepts that Disney/Lucasfilm/etc. are severely lacking in creativity?

    I pose this question because, while I haven't really seen too much discussion before on this subject, the recent article posted to the homepage seemed to be filled with several folks apparently angry (?) at their perceived overuse of his concept art for TFA (and Rebels for that matter).

    Specifically this article, and many comments that follow. Could all be one person for all I know (pretty much all are 'anonymous')...
    http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/02/rumor-new-episode-vii-scenescharacters-described-part-iii.html


    Personally, I feel the use of McQuarrie's concepts is justified. While it could be described as "brave" of them to depart from the OT-vibe for the ST, it could easily not be seen as such. There are countless sci-fi series abound, so a series really needs to have its certain style to be recognized as distinct. It's partly due to the departure in style for the PT that I would attribute to some distaste for the PT. Don't get me wrong, there are several valid reasons for not liking the PT, but that certainly can be one of them... that it seems either not enough or even 'too much' Star Warsy.

    They are drawing from the concepts as well as the OT itself, and I'm honestly quite fine with that. It keeps it consistent, keeps it believable. Keeps it interesting for that matter -- McQuarrie had a ton of awesome material never fully used in any of the movies.
     
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    We haven't really seen too much other than concept art and a few pictures but I personally think it's cool that they used some of the old unused Mcquarrie stuff in TFA. I think it will be on a smaller scale than some might think and it's more of a nod to the more hardcore fans that know where it's from rather than a crutch for lack of creativity. There will be plenty of creative new designs in the ST rest assured.
     
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    Yes, I'm of the same mind as well. Most likely it'll have just the right mix of McQuarrie in it. I've really enjoyed the few things we have seen that have an obvious OT (and by extension McQuarrie) influence to them. I feel it'll retain the old feeling, but be tweaked just enough to be a tad different and fresh, like the X-wings.
     
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    In addition to the X-wings, TIEs and The Falcon, I think we will see an abundance of new ships/vehicles to keep what we know in the universe expanding but also just to keep the haters away too. If you go too original people complain it isn't SW. If you go too much like the OT people complain nothing is original.
     
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    I think its great that they use his art. its fantastic and really embodies the heart of star wars. fans are really gonna want something familiar, and Disney wants to give it to us. we really know nothing about the movie so far so this is almost pointless. It is a good question though. we are sure to expect some hot debating.
     
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    To me, McQuarrie's art is the foundation for the entire Star Wars look and style. The more I see of it being used, the better.
     
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    Interesting opinion I noticed someone put forward as well: They implied the "haters of McQuarrie" or rather those criticizing Disney are young whippersnappers who are newcomers to the series. I wonder if there is any validity to that.

    Also, a bit amazed that apparently Google's spell check has "whippersnapper" in it and didn't give me the red squiggly.


    Edit: And ah, a dissenting opinion has appeared in the votes. I'm hoping the voter will participate in the discussion.
     
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    I honestly like that they are using McQuarrie's work. It brings back that classic look while being fresh since it was never used.
     
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    I completely agree. that's what the fans want. the beauty of the world they created is so easy to recognize as star wars...even if you never see a light saber, or a character for that matter.
     
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    Indeed. I think part of the criticism though is that the fans will eat anything up so long as resembles the OT. I can kind of see that point... most of us don't want a rehashed ANH, but at the same time I think there are some of us here who would be willing to take an uncreative Star Wars rehash over an outright bad Star Wars movie.
     
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    Back when Revenge of the Sith was being designed, I balked at the idea of them reconsidering Mcquarrie (and Johnston) concept art (Juggernaut tank and clonetrooper variant armours) since they were originally rejected as not being 'good' enough to use in the OT. But, since they were re-used in the prequel, it set a precident to have a great deal more proliferate in Rebels and the Sequel Trilogy. I do think that the art that the Rebels team have emulated looks more streamlined and 'futuristic' than we saw in the OT and that might make it a better fit in The Force Awakens etc.
     
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    The difference between TFA and TPM is that TFA is the movie directly after ROTJ and TPM is pretty much on its own. The reason I say this is that I feel the pressure to make TFA look like the OT is greater than TPM was because it is the movie directly after the OT. Not sure if that makes sense but it's my feeling.
     
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    It does make sense. I will note though that it's about the same time span before ANH (32 years) as TFA is supposedly after RotJ (30 years), so one could argue that TFA should look pretty different from RotJ as ANH does from TPM.

    That said, bringing in what @SWToyscapes mentioned one should take note that RotS sort of functioned to bridge the two styles. The ships, the clone armors, some simplistic interfaces, the final scene on the star destroyer with Tarkin and that overall atmosphere... it was all to make it show a progression (regression? point of view perhaps) to a more OT-style. TCW had a lot of it as well.
     
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    I have no problem with McQuarrie art being used, i just want it to be work that i haven't seen in the movies let.
    That's why i do have problems with the X-Wings and the Tie Fighters from the trailer, i've seen these starships for over twenty years i would rather have something new. Its like comparing a Chevy Camaro 1993 to a 1998
    1993-chevrolet-camaro-8.jpg
    1998_chevrolet_camaro_2_dr_z28_hatchback-pic-3453204955146235858.jpeg
    Its still pretty much the same car on the outside just with a bit aesthetic difference. I don't hate the new
    X-Wing, i'd just rather have something all new, if thats unused McQuarrie art, fine.
    corvette2000black.jpg
     
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    I would like of them to be more original. I do not want another OT ( we already have OT ). I want something new.
     
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    I think Mcquarrie's art developed the more romantic face of the SW aesthetic, and other designers imported the chunky industrial. I think also that Doug Chiang's style is a perfect melting pot of all these styles - he's created a good number of sleek and curvaceous vehicles alongside dirtied-up, aggressive designs, and I'm very happy to see him become a prominent Sequel Trilogy creator.

    Bearing in mind we've mostly seen slightly modified OT vehicles in the teaser trailer, there's bound to be a stack of brand new machines flying or rumbling our way in the coming years which is going to be a visual treat for sure.
     
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    no.
    because they are using what works and it is not 100 % representing the " blueprints" of the style of the artwork . if you want to know how high quality ep.7 will be, look no further than john carter and tron legacy witch has a great production quality.
    and i can guarantee you that in terms of quality, the original trilogy will be to sequel trilogy what the first 5 star trek films are to the jj star trek films.
     
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    I agree with you partially. I think for Ep. VII it might be ok to slight differences. They are trying to make it more familiar to OT. But I think in VIII and IX they should give the xwing an overhaul.

    I didn't see any difference in the Tie Fighters at all in the teaser.

    According to MSW and this there will be a new ship revealed in an upcoming book prior to the film. It might be just the concept art of the ship we have already seen.
     
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    Well put. I was going to say something similar in response but got sidetracked. The X-wing we've seen (for real) has a nice "all-around workhorse that only needs slight modifications" thing going for it. An older model still in use, kind of like the Y-wings of the OT and the sort of way they did a similar thing (but in reverse) for those awesome-looking Y-wings in TCW.

    I also see no change for the TIE Fighter shown. Someone said it looked white instead of gray, but I don't see it, nor would that be very worthy of mention. I am reminded of that concept that came out that looked like a TIE fighter mixed with a 50s bomber, some sort of command shuttle or something. I think they'll be creative with it.

    EDIT: And on the X-wing part, I'm thinking of the real life A-10 "Warthog" that's been in use since the 1970s, and only recently was announced to be retired soon.
     
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    The TIEs to me looked like the wings were a grate rather than a solid "wall."
    Simlar to this...
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    Or this...
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    I could be wrong though.
     
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